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It's a culture built on having a car that gets the snowball rolling. Here in the West car ownership is taken for granted, as an integral part of having a home a

It's a culture built on having a car that gets the snowball rolling. Here in the West car ownership is taken for granted, as an integral part of having a home and a family. It will be incredibly hard to dismantle the culture. We should start by banning status cars completely so that the cultural value of the car is of utility only. It is however completely necessary to do this.

danielovichdk 3y ago
Just as having kids.
weberer 3y ago
>It is however completely necessary to do this. No its not. How about we first just get rid of the coal power plants and replace them with nuclear/renewables? Then we can just have electric cars. Why is it that climate activists so often ignore the biggest polluters, while putting most of their energy into making the common man make sacrifices? "Get rid of cars, eat bugs, etc." Its almost as if its controlled opposition from the fossil fuel industry itself.
- padjo 3y ago
  Where are we going to get the power to run all those electric cars?
  - weberer 3y ago
    >How about we first just get rid of the coal power plants and replace them with nuclear/renewables?
  - ewweezdsd 3y ago
    Nuclear, wind, solar. Besides, building a carless society isn't exactly emission free either. For that one would need higher housing density, which means more construction. Concrete production is a major source of carbon emissions. Really cars are not any more of a problem than other forms of consumption.
- ganzuul 3y ago
  You still need all the infrastructure that electric cars rely on. You'd get rid of private cars, not cars categorically. E.g. you could order a taxi for cheap and the taxi operator could have a car that lasts for 30 years instead of just 15. The "eat bugs" remark was rude and uncalled for.
93po 3y ago
Electric car prices will plummet soon hopefully, and especially as iron based chemistries for batteries become more common
- ganzuul 3y ago
  Car tires too need to become biodegradable. And we need to make cars that last twice as long in daily use. And we need all the charging infrastructure. Battery recycling. Noise barriers on every highway to save the wild bees. Green parking buildings that don't soak up heat in cities like large lots do. The list of stuff that has to be done can keep growing. Can't communicate all that to someone who doesn't want to listen, so we have to communicate "ban cars" and wait for people to afford the attention span required. It's not a clean and simple business.
  - Jeff_Brown 3y ago
    Important point about the tires. Electric cars will, though, produce less brake dust (which is horrible), because they barely use their hydraulic braking systems.
acidioxide 3y ago
First you say owning a car is a cultural norm, then you say it should be changed by legislation. I'm afraid it is really hard to change culture with law.

danielovichdk 3y ago

Just as having kids.

weberer 3y ago

>It is however completely necessary to do this. No its not. How about we first just get rid of the coal power plants and replace them with nuclear/renewables? Then we can just have electric cars. Why is it that climate activists so often ignore the biggest polluters, while putting most of their energy into making the common man make sacrifices? "Get rid of cars, eat bugs, etc." Its almost as if its controlled opposition from the fossil fuel industry itself.

padjo 3y ago
Where are we going to get the power to run all those electric cars?
- weberer 3y ago
  >How about we first just get rid of the coal power plants and replace them with nuclear/renewables?
- ewweezdsd 3y ago
  Nuclear, wind, solar. Besides, building a carless society isn't exactly emission free either. For that one would need higher housing density, which means more construction. Concrete production is a major source of carbon emissions. Really cars are not any more of a problem than other forms of consumption.
ganzuul 3y ago
You still need all the infrastructure that electric cars rely on. You'd get rid of private cars, not cars categorically. E.g. you could order a taxi for cheap and the taxi operator could have a car that lasts for 30 years instead of just 15. The "eat bugs" remark was rude and uncalled for.

93po 3y ago

Electric car prices will plummet soon hopefully, and especially as iron based chemistries for batteries become more common

ganzuul 3y ago
Car tires too need to become biodegradable. And we need to make cars that last twice as long in daily use. And we need all the charging infrastructure. Battery recycling. Noise barriers on every highway to save the wild bees. Green parking buildings that don't soak up heat in cities like large lots do. The list of stuff that has to be done can keep growing. Can't communicate all that to someone who doesn't want to listen, so we have to communicate "ban cars" and wait for people to afford the attention span required. It's not a clean and simple business.
- Jeff_Brown 3y ago
  Important point about the tires. Electric cars will, though, produce less brake dust (which is horrible), because they barely use their hydraulic braking systems.

acidioxide 3y ago

First you say owning a car is a cultural norm, then you say it should be changed by legislation. I'm afraid it is really hard to change culture with law.