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Given amazon's reputation, as a geek I'm not going to build anything on this. Or bard. Even if it's free. Open ai has the benefit of having a fresh track recor

Given amazon's reputation, as a geek I'm not going to build anything on this. Or bard. Even if it's free. Open ai has the benefit of having a fresh track record.

awsanswers 3y ago
Ummmm
vkou 3y ago
Surely, you must be aware that Microsoft, who now runs OpenAI has a bit of a history of Embrace, Extend, Exterminate? Building on top of any of these platforms provided by trillion dollar companies is a sucker's game. The moment they decided your business looks tasty, they'll eat your lunch.
- zavertnik 3y ago
  > Building on top of any of these platforms provided by trillion dollar companies is a sucker's game. Until local models reach the fidelity and speed that these megacorps offer, what choice does anyone actually have with respect to AI? I was under the impression that even if you get over the initial cost of hardware to achieve speed, the fidelity of your outputs would still be of a lower overall quality relative to GPT/Claude/Bard(maybe?). I could be 100% wrong though.
  - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
    The gap is closing. I'm finding goliath-120b does better than chat gpt 3.5 Nothing comes close to gpt4 though
    - zavertnik 3y ago
      For me, the gap between 3.5 and 4 is massive. If I'm stuck between using 3.5 and doing the work myself, more often than not, I'm choosing to do it myself. Not to imply 3.5 is unusable, its just my bar for minimum fidelity is closer to 4 than 3.5 with respect to tasks that I'm comfortable offloading onto an AI. What are you running goliath-120b on? Is it costly to run all day every day? How long does it take to complete an output? I've thought about building a multi GPU node for local LLMs but I always decide against it on the premise that the tech is so new I figure in the next 3-4 years we'll see specialized hardware combined with efficiency improvements that would make my node obsolete.
      - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
        I run it on 2xRTX3090. I bought them used (probably ex-miners). > I always decide against it on the premise that the tech is so new I figure in the next 3-4 years we'll see specialized hardware combined with efficiency improvements that would make my node obsolete. You're probably right, this happened back in the day with bitcoin mining.
    - kristianp 3y ago
      How does Goliath-120b improve on llama2-70b by just combining two of them? https://huggingface.co/alpindale/goliath-120b?text=Hi https://huggingface.co/alpindale/goliath-120b?text=Hi. > An auto-regressive causal LM created by combining 2x finetuned Llama-2 70B into one.
      - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
        I.. don't know. Even the creator of the model doesn't know why it worked out so well. It really is better (at reasoning) than the 70b models when I use it. Though some people reported that it makes spelling mistakes. P.S. This doesn't always work out well, people have tried swapping different layers randomly and it makes the models incoherent.
rstupek 3y ago
What reputation are you referencing?
- jrockway 3y ago
  Maybe third-parties commingle their counterfeit knockoff AI models with Q in the fulfillment centers, and when you boot it up you have a chance of getting one of those instead of the real AI model you wanted (even though you made sure you selected the one that was "sold by and ships from amazon.com"). I am kidding. AWS has a reputation of being expensive and complicated, that's about it.
  - rstupek 3y ago
    Of course he said even if its free so probably not what he was referencing?
Jtsummers 3y ago
> Given amazon's reputation, as a geek I'm not going to build anything on this. Or bard. Bard is not Amazon's, which you may know but your comment implies is part of Amazon's portfolio. Bard is a Google product. Amazon, however, has a better track record compared to Google with respect to keeping services around. The main issues will be around cost effectiveness (versus self-hosting or alternate services).
balls187 3y ago
I was of the opposite opinion--does OpenAI's paid services prevent your queries and data from being used internally?
- 93po 3y ago
  Yes

Given amazon's reputation, as a geek I'm not going to build anything on this. Or bard. Even if it's free. Open ai has the benefit of having a fresh track record.

awsanswers 3y ago

Ummmm

vkou 3y ago

Surely, you must be aware that Microsoft, who now runs OpenAI has a bit of a history of Embrace, Extend, Exterminate? Building on top of any of these platforms provided by trillion dollar companies is a sucker's game. The moment they decided your business looks tasty, they'll eat your lunch.

zavertnik 3y ago
> Building on top of any of these platforms provided by trillion dollar companies is a sucker's game. Until local models reach the fidelity and speed that these megacorps offer, what choice does anyone actually have with respect to AI? I was under the impression that even if you get over the initial cost of hardware to achieve speed, the fidelity of your outputs would still be of a lower overall quality relative to GPT/Claude/Bard(maybe?). I could be 100% wrong though.
- idonotknowwhy 3y ago
  The gap is closing. I'm finding goliath-120b does better than chat gpt 3.5 Nothing comes close to gpt4 though
  - zavertnik 3y ago
    For me, the gap between 3.5 and 4 is massive. If I'm stuck between using 3.5 and doing the work myself, more often than not, I'm choosing to do it myself. Not to imply 3.5 is unusable, its just my bar for minimum fidelity is closer to 4 than 3.5 with respect to tasks that I'm comfortable offloading onto an AI. What are you running goliath-120b on? Is it costly to run all day every day? How long does it take to complete an output? I've thought about building a multi GPU node for local LLMs but I always decide against it on the premise that the tech is so new I figure in the next 3-4 years we'll see specialized hardware combined with efficiency improvements that would make my node obsolete.
    - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
      I run it on 2xRTX3090. I bought them used (probably ex-miners). > I always decide against it on the premise that the tech is so new I figure in the next 3-4 years we'll see specialized hardware combined with efficiency improvements that would make my node obsolete. You're probably right, this happened back in the day with bitcoin mining.
  - kristianp 3y ago
    How does Goliath-120b improve on llama2-70b by just combining two of them? https://huggingface.co/alpindale/goliath-120b?text=Hi https://huggingface.co/alpindale/goliath-120b?text=Hi. > An auto-regressive causal LM created by combining 2x finetuned Llama-2 70B into one.
    - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
      I.. don't know. Even the creator of the model doesn't know why it worked out so well. It really is better (at reasoning) than the 70b models when I use it. Though some people reported that it makes spelling mistakes. P.S. This doesn't always work out well, people have tried swapping different layers randomly and it makes the models incoherent.

rstupek 3y ago

What reputation are you referencing?

jrockway 3y ago
Maybe third-parties commingle their counterfeit knockoff AI models with Q in the fulfillment centers, and when you boot it up you have a chance of getting one of those instead of the real AI model you wanted (even though you made sure you selected the one that was "sold by and ships from amazon.com"). I am kidding. AWS has a reputation of being expensive and complicated, that's about it.
- rstupek 3y ago
  Of course he said even if its free so probably not what he was referencing?

Jtsummers 3y ago

> Given amazon's reputation, as a geek I'm not going to build anything on this. Or bard. Bard is not Amazon's, which you may know but your comment implies is part of Amazon's portfolio. Bard is a Google product. Amazon, however, has a better track record compared to Google with respect to keeping services around. The main issues will be around cost effectiveness (versus self-hosting or alternate services).

balls187 3y ago

I was of the opposite opinion--does OpenAI's paid services prevent your queries and data from being used internally?

93po 3y ago
Yes