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Victimhood + virtue signaling. Which is the opposite of the old american dream, focused on acting. Historians will have a blast about this.

SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago
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- BiteCode_dev 3y ago
  No, that's blaming and taking action on it. It's an aweful way of doing it, but it's a very different mechanism.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago
    Then what about the pilgrims, who were historically in America because they were too extreme for UK? They’re all about being a victim. Or the no taxation without representation, protesting the injustice against them?
    - filoleg 3y ago
      > Then what about the pilgrims, who were historically in America because they were too extreme for UK? They’re all about being a victim. Going out into the world (literally to another continent in the pre-plane era) to solve your problems your own way is imo the opposite of victim mentality. Victim mentality would be just complaining and seeing yourself as a victim or trying to use the victim status as a power move to make things go your way. Walking out of the situation and getting things done the way you want to elsewhere, despite it being dangerous and potentially deadly, ain’t a victim move at all tbh.
- golergka 3y ago
  American which trials were a thing, but a very minor one in historical terms — dwarfed in comparison with Scottish ones. Why would you say that America was founded on them?
- argiopetech 3y ago
  I have never heard it suggested the USA was founded on the Salem Witch Trials. Have I missed something?
swatcoder 3y ago
"Virtue signalling" in European-rooted cultures stems from classical Protestant (especially Calvinist and Puritan) esteem for right belief over good works. Good works were seen as cheap and fake and worldly, while right beliefs indicated alignment with a more eternal truth. While not the only current in American history by any means, it's profoundly American, and you can draw a straight line of intellectual heritage from that core Puritan/Calivinst theology on through to Rauschenbach's Social Gospel theology and onto the modern secular Social Justice movement, spanning hundreds of years of American history.
fwungy 3y ago
Historians of the future will have been trained in the postmodernist university system of today. The core tenet of postmodernism is that there is no objective truth, everything we see in the world is a societal/human construct. It's a pants-on-head extremist outloook that allows absolute insanity to parade as intelligence. It's reasonable to assume that there is at least some semblance of objective truth and argue about the degrees.

SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago

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BiteCode_dev 3y ago
No, that's blaming and taking action on it. It's an aweful way of doing it, but it's a very different mechanism.
- SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago
  Then what about the pilgrims, who were historically in America because they were too extreme for UK? They’re all about being a victim. Or the no taxation without representation, protesting the injustice against them?
  - filoleg 3y ago
    > Then what about the pilgrims, who were historically in America because they were too extreme for UK? They’re all about being a victim. Going out into the world (literally to another continent in the pre-plane era) to solve your problems your own way is imo the opposite of victim mentality. Victim mentality would be just complaining and seeing yourself as a victim or trying to use the victim status as a power move to make things go your way. Walking out of the situation and getting things done the way you want to elsewhere, despite it being dangerous and potentially deadly, ain’t a victim move at all tbh.
golergka 3y ago
American which trials were a thing, but a very minor one in historical terms — dwarfed in comparison with Scottish ones. Why would you say that America was founded on them?
argiopetech 3y ago
I have never heard it suggested the USA was founded on the Salem Witch Trials. Have I missed something?

swatcoder 3y ago

"Virtue signalling" in European-rooted cultures stems from classical Protestant (especially Calvinist and Puritan) esteem for right belief over good works. Good works were seen as cheap and fake and worldly, while right beliefs indicated alignment with a more eternal truth. While not the only current in American history by any means, it's profoundly American, and you can draw a straight line of intellectual heritage from that core Puritan/Calivinst theology on through to Rauschenbach's Social Gospel theology and onto the modern secular Social Justice movement, spanning hundreds of years of American history.

fwungy 3y ago

Historians of the future will have been trained in the postmodernist university system of today. The core tenet of postmodernism is that there is no objective truth, everything we see in the world is a societal/human construct. It's a pants-on-head extremist outloook that allows absolute insanity to parade as intelligence. It's reasonable to assume that there is at least some semblance of objective truth and argue about the degrees.