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Crazy levels of projection here any time a non-white-collar job is mentioned as being passible. My brother hated college more than life itself. He always looke

Crazy levels of projection here any time a non-white-collar job is mentioned as being passible. My brother hated college more than life itself. He always looked forward to summers where he’d work service more consistently. Fast-forward, he’s dropped out and now works in food services full time, never been happier.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
How's the dental care of your brother's children? When's he thinking he can retire and what will that look like? When was the last time he took a week off? It's not the work itself that is bad but the conditions of it. I loved cooking, I much prefer it to computer work. But allowances for health and family have to be carved out case-by-case depending on your relationship to your bosses. This isn't necessary and we could change it. But we haven't, and so these jobs suck for reasons that have nothing to do with the work being done.
- explaininjs 3y ago
  Great! He’s part of a union and they provide for his benefits. And he’s a good reliable worker (which in massive demand in the industry rn), so if he gives his boss enough notice he’ll allow pretty much anything wrt time off.
  - taylodl 3y ago
    > He’s part of a union and they provide for his benefits Yeah, what we're talking about is not that. Union work is an entirely different beast. I'm talking about people not knowing from one day to the next what their schedule is going to be, informing their supervisor well in advance when they're available to work and still having work scheduled when they're not able to work and then being threatened to be fired if they don't show up. Complete shit show.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      Sure, but bad jobs exist in any industry. My claim is that good ones exist in service, which is contrary to what the narrative taught in public schools would have you believe.
      - taylodl 3y ago
        Because it's the exception and not the rule?
        explaininjs 3y ago
        We’ve taught people to feel like scum if they’re working in food service and to treat people in food service like scum, then justify the indoctrination by saying it’s “usually true”. Any cursory examination of other cultures would show it doesn’t have to be this way.
        giraffe_lady 3y ago
        We all certainly agree on that! The fact is though that you will be treated like scum working in food service in a way you usually aren't working in, say, software development. I can confidently say this because I've done both jobs. It's not any more honest or realistic to deny this.

giraffe_lady 3y ago

How's the dental care of your brother's children? When's he thinking he can retire and what will that look like? When was the last time he took a week off? It's not the work itself that is bad but the conditions of it. I loved cooking, I much prefer it to computer work. But allowances for health and family have to be carved out case-by-case depending on your relationship to your bosses. This isn't necessary and we could change it. But we haven't, and so these jobs suck for reasons that have nothing to do with the work being done.

explaininjs 3y ago
Great! He’s part of a union and they provide for his benefits. And he’s a good reliable worker (which in massive demand in the industry rn), so if he gives his boss enough notice he’ll allow pretty much anything wrt time off.
- taylodl 3y ago
  > He’s part of a union and they provide for his benefits Yeah, what we're talking about is not that. Union work is an entirely different beast. I'm talking about people not knowing from one day to the next what their schedule is going to be, informing their supervisor well in advance when they're available to work and still having work scheduled when they're not able to work and then being threatened to be fired if they don't show up. Complete shit show.
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Sure, but bad jobs exist in any industry. My claim is that good ones exist in service, which is contrary to what the narrative taught in public schools would have you believe.
    - taylodl 3y ago
      Because it's the exception and not the rule?
      - explaininjs 3y ago
        We’ve taught people to feel like scum if they’re working in food service and to treat people in food service like scum, then justify the indoctrination by saying it’s “usually true”. Any cursory examination of other cultures would show it doesn’t have to be this way.
        giraffe_lady 3y ago
        We all certainly agree on that! The fact is though that you will be treated like scum working in food service in a way you usually aren't working in, say, software development. I can confidently say this because I've done both jobs. It's not any more honest or realistic to deny this.