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So, my understanding is as follows (let me know if it's wrong): * Yesterday's ruling was about ordering to allow the plate manufacturer to hand out plates befo

by Jun8 3y ago

So, my understanding is as follows (let me know if it's wrong): * Yesterday's ruling was about ordering to allow the plate manufacturer to hand out plates before they go to Postnord * This ruling is about the plates that are already with Postcard. So it seems it's two different things. Also, putting feelings about Tesla and Musk aside, how common is the concept of not doing an overall strike but not doing work for one customer only. I fully support the right of the Tesla mechanics to strike but what about the right of postal workers not striking but not delivering Tesla packages (there was also previous example of dock workers not unloading cars). Is this a right in other countries, too. Can it be exercised for other postal customers for other purposes than their workers striking, e.g. for support of certain political beliefs?

chmod775 3y ago
Sympathy strikes are illigal in some places, such as the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action
- jltsiren 3y ago
  The US version of a sympathy strike is a union contract that states that employees do not have to cross picket lines. For example, whenever there is a strike at my university, city buses don't go on campus and UPS doesn't make deliveries.
mrmanner 3y ago
> Can it be exercised for other postal customers for other purposes than their workers striking, e.g. for support of certain political beliefs? No - this is limited to labour market conflicts. The Swedish state (courts included) tries not to get involved in such conflicts. Both because of history (there were some unfortunate situations early last century) and because most voters are quite happy with how things work out.
velcrovan 3y ago
You may want to read this: When McDonald’s Came to Denmark — https://mattbruenig.com/2021/09/20/when-mcdonalds-came-to-denmark/ https://mattbruenig.com/2021/09/20/when-mcdonalds-came-to-de... > … When I bring this up, people sometimes respond by saying that these kinds of strikes are illegal in the US. This is a true and worthwhile bit of information, but insofar as it is meant to imply that the different legal environment is what accounts for the labor radicalism, this obviously has things backwards. The laws aren’t driving the labor radicalism, but rather the labor radicalism is driving the laws. > […] > If we [in the US] are ever going to get to Nordic levels of equality, it is really hard to imagine doing it without building a similarly powerful labor movement. You can certainly get some of the way there, such as by copying certain welfare programs, but without the unions, you’ll always be missing a key piece. And while legal and policy reforms can help build the labor movement some, the power of organized labor is not ultimately rooted in the state, but rather in the ability to halt production and wreak havoc even when the state is aligned against it.
- Jun8 3y ago
  Interesting article. It's not just a US vs European thing, however. According to this comparison document linked in the Wikipedia article [https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/gurn/00275.pdf https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/gurn/00275.pdf] (dated 2007 so things may have changed), some countries in Europe also ban solidarity action: "Solidarity action – supporting other workers in their primary action – is by now, in many countries, considered legal under certain conditions, exceptions being Latvia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and the UK. In Germany and Italy the situation with regard to the rules governing solidarity action is quite complex. In Spain its legality has to be established on a case-by-case basis"
  - tokai 3y ago
    Oh yeah very much. A common argument again EU in Denmark is that EU would destroy the danish labor market. It's the nordic model vs. the world.
cycomanic 3y ago
It's important to note that both rulings were about a temporary injuction that Tesla applied for. The ruling here essentially said there is not enough urgency to make a decision without hearing postnord, whom now have 3 days to respond.

by Jun8 3y ago

chmod775 3y ago

Sympathy strikes are illigal in some places, such as the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action

jltsiren 3y ago
The US version of a sympathy strike is a union contract that states that employees do not have to cross picket lines. For example, whenever there is a strike at my university, city buses don't go on campus and UPS doesn't make deliveries.

mrmanner 3y ago

> Can it be exercised for other postal customers for other purposes than their workers striking, e.g. for support of certain political beliefs? No - this is limited to labour market conflicts. The Swedish state (courts included) tries not to get involved in such conflicts. Both because of history (there were some unfortunate situations early last century) and because most voters are quite happy with how things work out.

velcrovan 3y ago

You may want to read this: When McDonald’s Came to Denmark — https://mattbruenig.com/2021/09/20/when-mcdonalds-came-to-denmark/ https://mattbruenig.com/2021/09/20/when-mcdonalds-came-to-de... > … When I bring this up, people sometimes respond by saying that these kinds of strikes are illegal in the US. This is a true and worthwhile bit of information, but insofar as it is meant to imply that the different legal environment is what accounts for the labor radicalism, this obviously has things backwards. The laws aren’t driving the labor radicalism, but rather the labor radicalism is driving the laws. > […] > If we [in the US] are ever going to get to Nordic levels of equality, it is really hard to imagine doing it without building a similarly powerful labor movement. You can certainly get some of the way there, such as by copying certain welfare programs, but without the unions, you’ll always be missing a key piece. And while legal and policy reforms can help build the labor movement some, the power of organized labor is not ultimately rooted in the state, but rather in the ability to halt production and wreak havoc even when the state is aligned against it.

Jun8 3y ago
Interesting article. It's not just a US vs European thing, however. According to this comparison document linked in the Wikipedia article [https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/gurn/00275.pdf https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/gurn/00275.pdf] (dated 2007 so things may have changed), some countries in Europe also ban solidarity action: "Solidarity action – supporting other workers in their primary action – is by now, in many countries, considered legal under certain conditions, exceptions being Latvia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and the UK. In Germany and Italy the situation with regard to the rules governing solidarity action is quite complex. In Spain its legality has to be established on a case-by-case basis"
- tokai 3y ago
  Oh yeah very much. A common argument again EU in Denmark is that EU would destroy the danish labor market. It's the nordic model vs. the world.

cycomanic 3y ago

It's important to note that both rulings were about a temporary injuction that Tesla applied for. The ruling here essentially said there is not enough urgency to make a decision without hearing postnord, whom now have 3 days to respond.