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No it's not. You can change your class you can't change your caste - your caste is literally determined exclusively by birth. It's a form of race and has nothin

No it's not. You can change your class you can't change your caste - your caste is literally determined exclusively by birth. It's a form of race and has nothing to do with social standing.

_thisdot 3y ago
What’s funny is that you can change your religion. But you still can’t change your caste! It’s even more interesting how norms and customs predate even caste. For instance, missionaries came to India and offered a better status within Christianity to Hindus from lower caste. This led to some caste based discrimination against Indian Christians. Now, Pakistan as a country doesn’t really have caste system being a Muslim country. But there are restaurants in Pakistan where Christians are still not allowed to eat in the same plate regular customers eat! Source: A White Trail: A Journey Into the Heart of Pakistan's Religious Minorities Book by Haroon Khalid
rngname22 3y ago
Isn't it the case that social class is not just about how much money you have, it's about where you went to school, your social etiquette, way of speaking, mannerisms, the clothing you wear, etc? Isn't social class specifically evolved to not simply be traversed by attaining more money, and that's the whole distinction between "new money" and "old money" and how they say "money can't buy class"? That being said, I think perhaps the caste system is sort of neither about race nor class but some unique blend of those things and more. It seems to have its own characteristics and I'm not sure we can dumb it down.
- vikramkr 3y ago
  Those mechanisms only exist because class is malleable. You don't need to worry about old or new money of etiquette or mannerisms or anything with caste because it's immutable, period. You can't get out it even by changing your religion. No amount of generations matter, where you went to school doesn't matter. No other mechanisms or such complications are needed because you can never change it, end of story. It's a form of race.

No it's not. You can change your class you can't change your caste - your caste is literally determined exclusively by birth. It's a form of race and has nothing to do with social standing.

_thisdot 3y ago

What’s funny is that you can change your religion. But you still can’t change your caste! It’s even more interesting how norms and customs predate even caste. For instance, missionaries came to India and offered a better status within Christianity to Hindus from lower caste. This led to some caste based discrimination against Indian Christians. Now, Pakistan as a country doesn’t really have caste system being a Muslim country. But there are restaurants in Pakistan where Christians are still not allowed to eat in the same plate regular customers eat! Source: A White Trail: A Journey Into the Heart of Pakistan's Religious Minorities Book by Haroon Khalid

rngname22 3y ago

Isn't it the case that social class is not just about how much money you have, it's about where you went to school, your social etiquette, way of speaking, mannerisms, the clothing you wear, etc? Isn't social class specifically evolved to not simply be traversed by attaining more money, and that's the whole distinction between "new money" and "old money" and how they say "money can't buy class"? That being said, I think perhaps the caste system is sort of neither about race nor class but some unique blend of those things and more. It seems to have its own characteristics and I'm not sure we can dumb it down.

vikramkr 3y ago
Those mechanisms only exist because class is malleable. You don't need to worry about old or new money of etiquette or mannerisms or anything with caste because it's immutable, period. You can't get out it even by changing your religion. No amount of generations matter, where you went to school doesn't matter. No other mechanisms or such complications are needed because you can never change it, end of story. It's a form of race.