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Steel bodied cars are not a new design.

by bmitc 3y ago

verdverm 3y ago
We have learned a lot since they were common. Does our increased understanding over several decades factor in? How does this logic hold up for another application, like the distributedness of the internet? It started out very distributed, but the last ~20 years we have seen a significant centralization. Yet we now see people trying really hard to re-decentralize major services. Should they not try based on your rationale, analogized?
- bmitc 3y ago
  We are not talking about any of that other stuff. It's irrelevant. We are talking about the Cybertruck, which Tesla has put into production and taken orders for. It is not an R&D prototype. So this is something very concrete. Do you or Tesla have any data or studies or announcements that point to some unknown advancement with one of the oldest industrial materials in one of the oldest industries? This isn't some hypothetical discussion. You should have something to point to. The fact of the matter is that there isn't a known advancement to point to. This is a production vehicle that goes against several well-known, established for decades design principles in car design. It will not absorb energy in a crash like every other modern car with crumple zones. It will deliver energy both to the crash target and to the inhabitants. If Tesla had made some magic advancement, do you not think they would share it? You keep implying towards some ethereal advancement and arguing with people based upon known, existing facts. Until there's something different, you're just speculating without basis and on a product made by a company well-known and infamous for lying and overhyping product features and advancements.
  - verdverm 3y ago
    I'm not implying some ethereal advancement, rather that the commenters here are stuck in their opinions and ideas. People just want to hate on it, so it goes... You keep implying it is impossible to build a crumple zone with a steel body, I just don't buy into the impossibility. Either way, despite orders and production, the vehicle will only be allowed on the roads of it meets safety standards. So either they will make it work or have to change things. I'm sure you, as an expert, shall point out how I'm wrong yet again
yreg 3y ago
The material is not new but the design very obviously is. Please tell me which other car has a steel gigacasted frame.

Steel bodied cars are not a new design.

by bmitc 3y ago

Steel bodied cars are not a new design.

We have learned a lot since they were common. Does our increased understanding over several decades factor in? How does this logic hold up for another application, like the distributedness of the internet? It started out very distributed, but the last ~20 years we have seen a significant centralization. Yet we now see people trying really hard to re-decentralize major services. Should they not try based on your rationale, analogized?

bmitc 3y ago
We are not talking about any of that other stuff. It's irrelevant. We are talking about the Cybertruck, which Tesla has put into production and taken orders for. It is not an R&D prototype. So this is something very concrete. Do you or Tesla have any data or studies or announcements that point to some unknown advancement with one of the oldest industrial materials in one of the oldest industries? This isn't some hypothetical discussion. You should have something to point to. The fact of the matter is that there isn't a known advancement to point to. This is a production vehicle that goes against several well-known, established for decades design principles in car design. It will not absorb energy in a crash like every other modern car with crumple zones. It will deliver energy both to the crash target and to the inhabitants. If Tesla had made some magic advancement, do you not think they would share it? You keep implying towards some ethereal advancement and arguing with people based upon known, existing facts. Until there's something different, you're just speculating without basis and on a product made by a company well-known and infamous for lying and overhyping product features and advancements.
- verdverm 3y ago
  I'm not implying some ethereal advancement, rather that the commenters here are stuck in their opinions and ideas. People just want to hate on it, so it goes... You keep implying it is impossible to build a crumple zone with a steel body, I just don't buy into the impossibility. Either way, despite orders and production, the vehicle will only be allowed on the roads of it meets safety standards. So either they will make it work or have to change things. I'm sure you, as an expert, shall point out how I'm wrong yet again

yreg 3y ago

The material is not new but the design very obviously is. Please tell me which other car has a steel gigacasted frame.