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I would even say Russia got exactly the response they wanted. The situation and the government's response is already taking up all the news-space in Finnish med

by tovej 3y ago

I would even say Russia got exactly the response they wanted. The situation and the government's response is already taking up all the news-space in Finnish media, the response by Finland is causing internal turmoil, and Russian media can point to Finland's response as another example of "unfriendly western actions against Russia", which only serves to further strengthen Putin's political position. He can use this e.g. as one example in a list when calling for a general mobilisation. The Finnish governments decision to close ALL border points seems questionable in its own right, especially as the activity at Raja-Jooseppi seemed minimal.

pdimitar 3y ago
> and Russian media can point to Finland's response as another example of "unfriendly western actions against Russia" They do that 24/7 anyway so who cares. It's a joke here in Bulgaria that if somebody coughs and sneezes the Russians will say "they got cold because of the hostile Western nations!" and I find the joke hilarious because it's 100% on point. Whatever happens in the world, they are the first to react and immediately spin it as a sign of weakness or power play of the Western nations. They are going full throttle on the propaganda and media influence war and I have to say, with some success here and there. But them blaming everyone but themselves is nothing new, historically. Most people with a basic grasp of culture and history are not impressed by Russia's same old tricks. > decision to close ALL border points seems questionable in its own right And what would you do? Let's assume for the sake of the argument that Russia does indeed use illegal immigrants in an attempt to sow chaos. How would you counter that? Not like many of these people want to integrate -- many of them can't even read or write... And no this is not a conspiracy theory, a lot of such cases have been documented but for one reason or another rarely make the popular headlines (as a side topic, I am really curious as to why).
atoav 3y ago
Quite frankly I don't think any country other than Russia is going to be on Russias side here. If you want to be on good terms with your neighbours, maybe don't invade them? Russia is in NO position to even remotely criticise Finlands decision here, and they won't be in a position to do so for decades to come. If you want the domestic equivalent: that is like your neighbour shitting on your other neighbours doormat each day and then scoffing at you for not greeting them in the elevator. Sure they can scoff. It just makes them look more crazy. And if you care about them being able to scoff, you should probably do some reflection as well.
- jruohonen 3y ago
  > Sure they can scoff. It just makes them look more crazy. And if you care about them being able to scoff, you should probably do some reflection as well. The response from Russia is not the issue here. As tovej hinted above, the thing has been going on in local politics for a week or so with some ugly things involved; some politicians and their supporters cannot keep their heads straight, among other things, including threats, disinformation, and deep fakes.
Anon826 3y ago
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by tovej 3y ago

pdimitar 3y ago

> and Russian media can point to Finland's response as another example of "unfriendly western actions against Russia" They do that 24/7 anyway so who cares. It's a joke here in Bulgaria that if somebody coughs and sneezes the Russians will say "they got cold because of the hostile Western nations!" and I find the joke hilarious because it's 100% on point. Whatever happens in the world, they are the first to react and immediately spin it as a sign of weakness or power play of the Western nations. They are going full throttle on the propaganda and media influence war and I have to say, with some success here and there. But them blaming everyone but themselves is nothing new, historically. Most people with a basic grasp of culture and history are not impressed by Russia's same old tricks. > decision to close ALL border points seems questionable in its own right And what would you do? Let's assume for the sake of the argument that Russia does indeed use illegal immigrants in an attempt to sow chaos. How would you counter that? Not like many of these people want to integrate -- many of them can't even read or write... And no this is not a conspiracy theory, a lot of such cases have been documented but for one reason or another rarely make the popular headlines (as a side topic, I am really curious as to why).

atoav 3y ago

Quite frankly I don't think any country other than Russia is going to be on Russias side here. If you want to be on good terms with your neighbours, maybe don't invade them? Russia is in NO position to even remotely criticise Finlands decision here, and they won't be in a position to do so for decades to come. If you want the domestic equivalent: that is like your neighbour shitting on your other neighbours doormat each day and then scoffing at you for not greeting them in the elevator. Sure they can scoff. It just makes them look more crazy. And if you care about them being able to scoff, you should probably do some reflection as well.

jruohonen 3y ago
> Sure they can scoff. It just makes them look more crazy. And if you care about them being able to scoff, you should probably do some reflection as well. The response from Russia is not the issue here. As tovej hinted above, the thing has been going on in local politics for a week or so with some ugly things involved; some politicians and their supporters cannot keep their heads straight, among other things, including threats, disinformation, and deep fakes.

Anon826 3y ago

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