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Again I love technology. I probably have more of it in my house than most people. I'm literally surrounded by two laptops and a desktop right now (with two othe

Again I love technology. I probably have more of it in my house than most people. I'm literally surrounded by two laptops and a desktop right now (with two other laptops in the room). Hell, I just bought a force feedback steering wheel yesterday, and it's super fun (I shouldn't have bought it considering what I'm saying here, but I did). I would love if there was a technological solution to these things, and the human will to do so. I don't even want people to stop searching for technological solutions, it just doesn't seem like it will ever be enough considering human nature. I also suspect that throwing more technology at the problem might just add more problems, like taking a shot to lose weight that ends up giving you pancreatic cancer a few years later (based on an actual warning label on an Ozempic-like sample my doctor gave me once). Edit: Part of the reason I have so many laptops is my job requires it, and one of those extra laptops is 8 years old and I haven't recycled it yet. Whenever I change jobs I'll have to return 2 of those laptops.

throwitaway222 3y ago
As you make more and more money it is easy to just keep purchasing, and then yelling from soap boxes how no one has the will to save the environment.
- cableshaft 3y ago
  Yep, and I admit I'm part of the problem. I'm not really sure how to break the addiction myself, I haven't even worried about any of this until the past few years, and I've been a fan of technology my whole life, buying video games and consoles and computers and other tech since I was 8 years old.
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- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  you believe the solution is on the consumption side, not the production side? interesting
  - thefaux 3y ago
    How is this an either/or question? Does consumption not influence production and vice versa?
    - wahnfrieden 3y ago
      they are related yes. but if it happens that the vast majority of influence over it is on the production side, the consumption side only matters insofar as it's able to change production which may be a distraction to focus on individual consumer green-purchasing if that's not actually a great way of influencing production behaviors. It ends up as a "personal garden" approach to ecology, keeping us occupied doing what we can in our personal lifestyles and evaluating/influencing our neighbors within our proximity. so then what force drives necessary change on the production side?
slibhb 3y ago
As people get richer, as we stop starving and freezing, we prioritize the environment more and more. People in rich countries like green spaces and wild animals, are concerned about climate change, and invest massive amounts of money in environmentally friendly tech. There's every reason to believe that this pattern will continue. As the world gets richer, we'll continue to develop the will to deal with various environmental problems. In the meantime, a certain amount of damage will be done, but it won't be irrecoverable.
- riversflow 3y ago
  So far people in rich countries just export their dirty business to a poorer place. They don’t give up on those products or processes. Why is there every reason to believe that we can do those things without environmental destruction? Seems like wishful thinking. If people in rich countries actually cared, they would demand things were made in their country with environmental regulations, not imported from somewhere that doesn't care.

throwitaway222 3y ago

As you make more and more money it is easy to just keep purchasing, and then yelling from soap boxes how no one has the will to save the environment.

cableshaft 3y ago
Yep, and I admit I'm part of the problem. I'm not really sure how to break the addiction myself, I haven't even worried about any of this until the past few years, and I've been a fan of technology my whole life, buying video games and consoles and computers and other tech since I was 8 years old.
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wahnfrieden 3y ago
you believe the solution is on the consumption side, not the production side? interesting
- thefaux 3y ago
  How is this an either/or question? Does consumption not influence production and vice versa?
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    they are related yes. but if it happens that the vast majority of influence over it is on the production side, the consumption side only matters insofar as it's able to change production which may be a distraction to focus on individual consumer green-purchasing if that's not actually a great way of influencing production behaviors. It ends up as a "personal garden" approach to ecology, keeping us occupied doing what we can in our personal lifestyles and evaluating/influencing our neighbors within our proximity. so then what force drives necessary change on the production side?

slibhb 3y ago

As people get richer, as we stop starving and freezing, we prioritize the environment more and more. People in rich countries like green spaces and wild animals, are concerned about climate change, and invest massive amounts of money in environmentally friendly tech. There's every reason to believe that this pattern will continue. As the world gets richer, we'll continue to develop the will to deal with various environmental problems. In the meantime, a certain amount of damage will be done, but it won't be irrecoverable.

riversflow 3y ago
So far people in rich countries just export their dirty business to a poorer place. They don’t give up on those products or processes. Why is there every reason to believe that we can do those things without environmental destruction? Seems like wishful thinking. If people in rich countries actually cared, they would demand things were made in their country with environmental regulations, not imported from somewhere that doesn't care.