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Stainless steel is a very difficult material to work with and solves no problem not already solved more easily and cheaply. All I can say is woe be to you shoul
by taylodl 3y ago
Stainless steel is a very difficult material to work with and solves no problem not already solved more easily and cheaply. All I can say is woe be to you should you get into any kind of accident - very few auto repair shops can work with stainless steel and you're going to be gobsmacked by the cost of repair. That's going to lead to insane insurance rates for these vehicles.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly Tesla brings out another truck to replace this model. Like the Model X, they'll have learned a lot that they can apply on their next truck.
- kreetx 3y agoIt won't have a high production rate in the beginning anyway, so we'll have time to see how it goes. I personally think it's great that they are attempting to build such a thing. EDIT: Media sure tries to put negative stories out around launch time.
- losteric 3y agoThe media often puts out negative stories around the launch of bad products. Remember Juicero?
- DemocracyFTW2 3y agoJuicero was a totally fine product except for everything, but media of course hated on it. The owners were very socially-oriented people and imagined homeless people could now have one juice per day at only 10$ a pop at a bar near their favorite sheltering spot, but no, media hated it. They even thought about maintaining brand image and value so they chose to go for 100% vendor lock-in. You can't have more than 100% right but the media, of course, hated on this fine product. The sad but at this point predictable failure of this business is only the down to the media. /s
- kreetx 3y ago[flagged]
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoI commend them for trying, but it should've stayed a concept car or limited collector's item, instead they're trying to mass produce it, they bet a lot on it.
- dzhiurgis 3y agoMost popular car company is trying to make most popular car shape. Failure imminent.
- jsbisviewtiful 3y ago> I personally think it's great that they are attempting to build such a thing. Why? It seems like a novelty and crumple zones were added to cars for a reason - a feature stainless steel likely cannot replicate.
- injb 3y ago>>> Why? It seems like a novelty and crumple zones were added to cars for a reason - a feature stainless steel likely cannot replicate. I think it's unlikely that a company that has launched 3 wildly successful, completely new cars already has gone this far with the cybertruck and hasn't thought of crumple zones.
- twisteriffic 3y ago> It'll be interesting to see how quickly Tesla brings out another truck to replace this model. That seems unlikely given how much of Elon's ego is tied up in this thing. It'd be the sanest thing for them to do, but I just don't see it happening. I'd be overjoyed by an electric minivan.
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago> I'd be overjoyed by an electric minivan. https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-buzz.html https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-buzz.html
- abracadaniel 3y agoA fan favorite for sure. Still no word on range or price from the looks of it though. That will be the deal breaker for most.
- twisteriffic 3y agoYeah, I've been waiting on updates for a while now. A friend saw one in Europe and said it was smaller than he expected, particularly in width. I'm also not looking forward to a vehicle made entirely of Volkswagen-quality wiring given my past experiences.
- r00fus 3y agoWell the Euro model is a 2-row and the US is a 3-row so like many things, it's bigger in the US.
- rsynnott 3y ago~65k EUR before incentives, 400km range based on the European rating system. You’d assume the US version will be similar. Definitely on the expensive side.
- appplication 3y agoI would encourage everyone to remember Volkswagen deliberately and systemically cheated on their environmental emissions, at the direction of the highest levels of the company. Corporate accountability is consumers not forgetting the bullshit they pull, and making and standing by statements like “Because of their deliberate hostility towards consumers, regulators, and the environment, I will never buy a Volkswagen vehicle and have less respect for anyone who does”. There are many vehicle manufacturers out there. No one needs a Volkswagen. They’re not even good cars or particularly economical.
- _8j50 3y ago[flagged]
- idlewords 3y agoI miss the days when fascism had a definition more specific than "all politics to the right of me".
- bryanlarsen 3y agoStainless steel is easy to repair as long as you don't try and preserve its finish. Myself I think it looks better once it has developed an interesting patina, but I don't think my tastes are common.
- red-iron-pine 3y agoanother good point -- what's the cybertruck gonna look like in 10 years? patina as a sign of virtue and long ownership?
- dzhiurgis 3y agoYes. Also when I drive I don't really care how my car looks. Practicality mattes much more - I don't wanna fix every scratch or dent and steel is far more resistant to this. I don't get it how people don't understand this.
- ModernMech 3y agoCars are status symbols as well as tools. As a tool, a car’s function is not impacted by scratches. As a status symbol, it will become less impactful due to scratches, dings, and dents.
- microtherion 3y agoUnless Tesla figures out how to sell these scratches & dents as Wabi Sabi.
- latchkey 3y agoSomeone who spent $500k on a lambo cares about how their car looks.
- dzhiurgis 3y agoHow about g wagon?
- l1tany11 3y agoMy understanding was that the whole design was based on a radical exoskeleton concept in order to reduce production cost. But in development that didn’t work out (NVH was a nightmare among other things) and so it’s a conventional structure with the weird design and stainless steel panels on top. It seems to me that they should have completely redesigned the truck when they found they had to stop pursuing the original concept, but they kept the exterior they originally showed. I think it’s great that they tried something different, but I’m worried that they now have a compromised design, inheriting the compromises of the original design, with the cost, weight, and complexity of underpinning it with a traditional unibody. It will be interesting to see how the cybertruck turns out.
- jacquesm 3y agoAs they say in the metalworking world: stainless steel isn't hard, it's just hard.