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It seems weird to me to evaluate the build quality when they're not being mass produced yet? Also "weird" and "crappy" could be more specific/informational. Do

It seems weird to me to evaluate the build quality when they're not being mass produced yet? Also "weird" and "crappy" could be more specific/informational. Do you mean you didn't like the appearance?

i80and 3y ago
I've seen a pre-launch test mule EV in the wild from a "legacy" automaker. Aside from the weird paint job they always have, it looked absolutely fine. This close to launch, we should not be seeing the kind of build issues we're seeing with the Cybertruck.
llm_nerd 3y ago
Deliveries are slated to happen in less than two days. These are "production" units. Worse still, they're the cherry picked, extra attention, showcase examples to be paraded around. And they're terrible. There are numerous comments that seem to believe this is some sort of example moonshot that demonstrates Tesla greatness. Yet the core, foundational issue with this vehicle is that they decided to make it with stainless steel for zero rational reason beyond apparently that Elon was infatuated with the Delorean that was a cool car in his youth. The benefits of stainless steel are very limited, and the detriments are enormous. For instance the horrendous angular design is courtesy of the horrible fabrication qualities of that material. This carries over into fit and finish problems that are going to curse this vehicle until it is axed in the near future. The gigantic wiper. The abhorrent visibility out of the front of the vehicle. The pedestrian killing facade. The complete and utter impracticality that makes it useless as a "truck", and deficient as a car. If Tesla had any sort of functioning management this abomination would never have continued so long.
- jjallen 3y ago
  > Yet the core, foundational issue with this vehicle is that they decided to make it with stainless steel for zero rational reason beyond apparently that Elon was infatuated with the Delorean that was a cool car in his youth. Online opinions don't matter though. The only "issue" that matters is how many Tesla sells and what is the satisfaction of the owners over the long-term. For some reason it seems that the negativity surrounding this vehicle is especially ignorant and critical to something that hasn't even been released yet. The number of super negative words you use like "horrendous", "foundational" "zero rational", "cherry picked", "terrible", "moonshot", "detriments", "fit and finish problems", "curse", "axed", "abhorrent", "pedestrian killing", "complete and utter impracticality" is... how should I put this: literally unbelievable. The vehicle has not even begun to be sold and people are saying things like this. This is not a believable, rational comment. The more people are negative about it leads me to believe that it will be a huge success. I hope commenters like you aren't the legacy automakers trying to slow down the competition for their most profitable segment. > These are "production" units. Really? They are driving around "production" units before they have begun to be delivered? How do you know if "these" are "production" or not?
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    "Online opinions don't matter though" There is overwhelmingly negative sentiment about this vehicle. I have absolutely no doubt that the True Believers will buy it. Contrarians and attention seekers (e.g. cryptoscammers and MLM sorts are going to have one on their socials in no time) will buy it. That will account for a minuscule number of orders. The "pre-orders" that turn into actual orders will be low single-digit percentages. "This is not a believable, rational comment." Am I a bot? Am I just an Elon-hater? I mean, I do think he's a manchild who seems to be succumbing to some sort of severe brain rot, however my analysis of the vehicle is based upon all of the details we have before us. I mean...you know we can actually see it, right? We can see the pictures of the catastrophic (earned negative words) design and the compromises that entails. We can see the spectacularly impractical vehicle Tesla is pushing out. This is, in every way, The Homer. Actually The Homer had some benefits. "How do you know if "these" are "production" or not?" You have no idea how any of this works. If production was two years out these rather ridiculous excuses could fly. I mean...even then they wouldn't and prototype vehicles are usually especially stellar, for obvious reasons.
  - bumby 3y ago
    >The more people are negative about it leads me to believe that it will be a huge success. Is this a rational statement? What, exactly, is this sentiment based on?
- Ancapistani 3y ago
  > The benefits of stainless steel are very limited, and the detriments are enormous. For instance the horrendous angular design is courtesy of the horrible fabrication qualities of that material. I like the flat/angular design. When I look at it I see it twenty years down the road, covered in trail stripes, with repaired panels welded on in a couple of places, aftermarket "armor" around the bottom, rock sliders, wider wheels, and off-road tires. > This carries over into fit and finish problems that are going to curse this vehicle until it is axed in the near future. I think you're right. The best outcome I see is that it will end up being the truck version of the Roadster - produced for a while, replaced by more mature models, and selling for a premium on the used market because of the cult following. I'm seriously considering buying a Cybertruck in expectation that it will become a collectible vehicle a few years from now.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    >I'm seriously considering buying a Cybertruck in expectation that it will become a collectible vehicle a few years from now. Totally, it's going to be just like the DeLorean story. The other solid bet is to invest in any movie deals that come your way that involve time travel
- CaptainZapp 3y ago
  > The pedestrian killing facade I wonder if this abomination gets approval in any European country. It looks hellishly dangerous for just about anybody not sitting in this thing. And frankly, I'm not even sure about this.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    I’d wonder if they’ll even bother trying tbh; most European countries don’t have a large market for pickup trucks of any sort, and what market there is is mostly commercial. Also it sure sounds like even in the US this won’t be generally available for a while.
iancmceachern 3y ago
I'm not a car journalist, just a random idiot on the internet recalling an experience I had. If I were to use different language my recollection would have been inaccurate because what I wrote above was literally what we said to eachother in the moment. editorializing it after the fact is both dishonest and not helpful. I owe you nothing. No, I'm a lifelong car guy and hardware designer/mechanical engineer. I've been to Monterrey car week, countless car shows with many concept cars, I've driven cool cars on some of the coolest tracks in the US, I've been around, worked on and built cars my whole life. It looked like a crappy kit car. It looked like a poorly restored lotus Europa or Pantera. It didn't even look as good as a concept car, let alone something that was announced for production years ago and has been taking deposits for years. Other car companies sell yoi a car within a year if you put a deposit down.

i80and 3y ago

I've seen a pre-launch test mule EV in the wild from a "legacy" automaker. Aside from the weird paint job they always have, it looked absolutely fine. This close to launch, we should not be seeing the kind of build issues we're seeing with the Cybertruck.

llm_nerd 3y ago

Deliveries are slated to happen in less than two days. These are "production" units. Worse still, they're the cherry picked, extra attention, showcase examples to be paraded around. And they're terrible. There are numerous comments that seem to believe this is some sort of example moonshot that demonstrates Tesla greatness. Yet the core, foundational issue with this vehicle is that they decided to make it with stainless steel for zero rational reason beyond apparently that Elon was infatuated with the Delorean that was a cool car in his youth. The benefits of stainless steel are very limited, and the detriments are enormous. For instance the horrendous angular design is courtesy of the horrible fabrication qualities of that material. This carries over into fit and finish problems that are going to curse this vehicle until it is axed in the near future. The gigantic wiper. The abhorrent visibility out of the front of the vehicle. The pedestrian killing facade. The complete and utter impracticality that makes it useless as a "truck", and deficient as a car. If Tesla had any sort of functioning management this abomination would never have continued so long.

jjallen 3y ago
> Yet the core, foundational issue with this vehicle is that they decided to make it with stainless steel for zero rational reason beyond apparently that Elon was infatuated with the Delorean that was a cool car in his youth. Online opinions don't matter though. The only "issue" that matters is how many Tesla sells and what is the satisfaction of the owners over the long-term. For some reason it seems that the negativity surrounding this vehicle is especially ignorant and critical to something that hasn't even been released yet. The number of super negative words you use like "horrendous", "foundational" "zero rational", "cherry picked", "terrible", "moonshot", "detriments", "fit and finish problems", "curse", "axed", "abhorrent", "pedestrian killing", "complete and utter impracticality" is... how should I put this: literally unbelievable. The vehicle has not even begun to be sold and people are saying things like this. This is not a believable, rational comment. The more people are negative about it leads me to believe that it will be a huge success. I hope commenters like you aren't the legacy automakers trying to slow down the competition for their most profitable segment. > These are "production" units. Really? They are driving around "production" units before they have begun to be delivered? How do you know if "these" are "production" or not?
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  "Online opinions don't matter though" There is overwhelmingly negative sentiment about this vehicle. I have absolutely no doubt that the True Believers will buy it. Contrarians and attention seekers (e.g. cryptoscammers and MLM sorts are going to have one on their socials in no time) will buy it. That will account for a minuscule number of orders. The "pre-orders" that turn into actual orders will be low single-digit percentages. "This is not a believable, rational comment." Am I a bot? Am I just an Elon-hater? I mean, I do think he's a manchild who seems to be succumbing to some sort of severe brain rot, however my analysis of the vehicle is based upon all of the details we have before us. I mean...you know we can actually see it, right? We can see the pictures of the catastrophic (earned negative words) design and the compromises that entails. We can see the spectacularly impractical vehicle Tesla is pushing out. This is, in every way, The Homer. Actually The Homer had some benefits. "How do you know if "these" are "production" or not?" You have no idea how any of this works. If production was two years out these rather ridiculous excuses could fly. I mean...even then they wouldn't and prototype vehicles are usually especially stellar, for obvious reasons.
- bumby 3y ago
  >The more people are negative about it leads me to believe that it will be a huge success. Is this a rational statement? What, exactly, is this sentiment based on?
Ancapistani 3y ago
> The benefits of stainless steel are very limited, and the detriments are enormous. For instance the horrendous angular design is courtesy of the horrible fabrication qualities of that material. I like the flat/angular design. When I look at it I see it twenty years down the road, covered in trail stripes, with repaired panels welded on in a couple of places, aftermarket "armor" around the bottom, rock sliders, wider wheels, and off-road tires. > This carries over into fit and finish problems that are going to curse this vehicle until it is axed in the near future. I think you're right. The best outcome I see is that it will end up being the truck version of the Roadster - produced for a while, replaced by more mature models, and selling for a premium on the used market because of the cult following. I'm seriously considering buying a Cybertruck in expectation that it will become a collectible vehicle a few years from now.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  >I'm seriously considering buying a Cybertruck in expectation that it will become a collectible vehicle a few years from now. Totally, it's going to be just like the DeLorean story. The other solid bet is to invest in any movie deals that come your way that involve time travel
CaptainZapp 3y ago
> The pedestrian killing facade I wonder if this abomination gets approval in any European country. It looks hellishly dangerous for just about anybody not sitting in this thing. And frankly, I'm not even sure about this.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  I’d wonder if they’ll even bother trying tbh; most European countries don’t have a large market for pickup trucks of any sort, and what market there is is mostly commercial. Also it sure sounds like even in the US this won’t be generally available for a while.

iancmceachern 3y ago

I'm not a car journalist, just a random idiot on the internet recalling an experience I had. If I were to use different language my recollection would have been inaccurate because what I wrote above was literally what we said to eachother in the moment. editorializing it after the fact is both dishonest and not helpful. I owe you nothing. No, I'm a lifelong car guy and hardware designer/mechanical engineer. I've been to Monterrey car week, countless car shows with many concept cars, I've driven cool cars on some of the coolest tracks in the US, I've been around, worked on and built cars my whole life. It looked like a crappy kit car. It looked like a poorly restored lotus Europa or Pantera. It didn't even look as good as a concept car, let alone something that was announced for production years ago and has been taking deposits for years. Other car companies sell yoi a car within a year if you put a deposit down.