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They very publicly broke their prototype with a hammer

verdverm 3y ago
that was a window, a part, not really a prototype they did do an RCA on it iirc, it was the hammer to the door that pre-damaged the window before the ball
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  > they did do an RCA on it iirc, it was the hammer to the door that pre-damaged the window before the ball well, maybe. This is also the company that claimed a driver killed by autopilot had been warned for inattention while omitting that the warning had been 17 minutes prior to the crash. It's the company that promised their cars would be able to self drive from LA to the east coast by 2016. It's (basically) the company that claimed they had a production solar shingle that was actually fake. Like, the list of lies and misleading statements goes on and on. And it's not like just big lies, they lie about small or inconsequential things too. Like, why would you trust them on the claims of their RCA?
  - verdverm 3y ago
    Do you remember Diesel Gate? The Pinto? Toyota Airbags? Government Motors? All big corporations lie, nothing new here https://www.hotcars.com/carmaker-caught-in-embarrassing-lies https://www.hotcars.com/carmaker-caught-in-embarrassing-lies Do you think the current claimed reasons from old auto about EVs not being viable are truthful reasons?
jjallen 3y ago
Does this mean that all future ones will also break? Also it was a ball, not a hammer.
- idlewords 3y ago
  It means the problem is not just 'things are hard at scale', like the parent comment suggested. The level of excuse-making for Musk's bullshit gets really tiresome in these threads. Production car looks like a Pontiac Aztek rendered on a Commodore 64? New things are hard at scale! Prototype breaks when you hit it at launch event? New things are hard, this is fixed in the new model! There's nothing cynical or malicious in being tired of a pathological level of lies and hype from a person who has real achievements to boast about, if he could just control the need to promise the sun and stars to everyone in Q2 of next year.
  - chmod600 3y ago
    "a pathological level of lies and hype from a person who has real achievements to boast about, if he could just control the need to promise the sun and stars" Can these things be separated? Can someone be reasonable and realistic and also achieve huge things? I'm sure there are a few examples, but I wonder whether those other high-achievers just seem more reasonable because they aren't on Twitter/X.
    - tivert 3y ago
      >> "a pathological level of lies and hype from a person who has real achievements to boast about, if he could just control the need to promise the sun and stars" > Can these things be separated? Can someone be reasonable and realistic and also achieve huge things? Yes, of course they can. "Achieving huge things" does not require "a pathological level of lies and hype." As evidenced by every person who wasn't a twisted salesman who ever achieved something.
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that was a window, a part, not really a prototype they did do an RCA on it iirc, it was the hammer to the door that pre-damaged the window before the ball

ahahahahah 3y ago
> they did do an RCA on it iirc, it was the hammer to the door that pre-damaged the window before the ball well, maybe. This is also the company that claimed a driver killed by autopilot had been warned for inattention while omitting that the warning had been 17 minutes prior to the crash. It's the company that promised their cars would be able to self drive from LA to the east coast by 2016. It's (basically) the company that claimed they had a production solar shingle that was actually fake. Like, the list of lies and misleading statements goes on and on. And it's not like just big lies, they lie about small or inconsequential things too. Like, why would you trust them on the claims of their RCA?
- verdverm 3y ago
  Do you remember Diesel Gate? The Pinto? Toyota Airbags? Government Motors? All big corporations lie, nothing new here https://www.hotcars.com/carmaker-caught-in-embarrassing-lies https://www.hotcars.com/carmaker-caught-in-embarrassing-lies Do you think the current claimed reasons from old auto about EVs not being viable are truthful reasons?

jjallen 3y ago

Does this mean that all future ones will also break? Also it was a ball, not a hammer.

idlewords 3y ago
It means the problem is not just 'things are hard at scale', like the parent comment suggested. The level of excuse-making for Musk's bullshit gets really tiresome in these threads. Production car looks like a Pontiac Aztek rendered on a Commodore 64? New things are hard at scale! Prototype breaks when you hit it at launch event? New things are hard, this is fixed in the new model! There's nothing cynical or malicious in being tired of a pathological level of lies and hype from a person who has real achievements to boast about, if he could just control the need to promise the sun and stars to everyone in Q2 of next year.
- chmod600 3y ago
  "a pathological level of lies and hype from a person who has real achievements to boast about, if he could just control the need to promise the sun and stars" Can these things be separated? Can someone be reasonable and realistic and also achieve huge things? I'm sure there are a few examples, but I wonder whether those other high-achievers just seem more reasonable because they aren't on Twitter/X.
  - tivert 3y ago
    >> "a pathological level of lies and hype from a person who has real achievements to boast about, if he could just control the need to promise the sun and stars" > Can these things be separated? Can someone be reasonable and realistic and also achieve huge things? Yes, of course they can. "Achieving huge things" does not require "a pathological level of lies and hype." As evidenced by every person who wasn't a twisted salesman who ever achieved something.
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