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> If you want to keep photos from your Google Drive, for example, it's best to sign in to that particular service. > That's because the tech company says it "r

> If you want to keep photos from your Google Drive, for example, it's best to sign in to that particular service. > That's because the tech company says it "reserves the right to delete data in a product if you are inactive in that product for at least two years. This is determined based on each product's inactivity policies." Put all your data in "the cloud", give up control, and be subjected to the whims of big tech. It would be cool to know when the above was sneaked in to the ToS. As a normal person, I'm getting pretty sick of the deal changing every day. I can run my own server for everything (and do), but most people I know can't because the tech industry refuses to build anything decent that "just works" locally. As for the above quote, every photo should be governed by the ToS that was active when the photo was uploaded. Adhesive ToS strategies should be illegal.

marcinzm 3y ago
Feels to me that the upkeep effort of a local server is more than the upkeep effort of logging into a service once every year.
- Arnt 3y ago
  GP is basically saying that the upkeep of a local server should be less than it is. And that if server upkeep isn't as easy as it should be, that's because the people whose duty it is to provide that have shirked their duty, and they are to blame. Personally I'm happy that he doesn't include me in the set of shirkers to be blamed.
  - hospitalJail 3y ago
    I just checked my local network website, I started running it in 2021, but havent touched it since mid 2022. I might have checked to see if the computer(raspi4) is on since then, I can't remember why I would have done this, maybe to show a friend. Somehow not only is the computer still on(How? shouldnt a power outage have turned this off at some point?), but the server still is working perfectly. I genuinely don't understand, but its recording sound and temp data as we speak. To be fair, I did mess around in 2021 to ensure things were robust since I was working on an Embedded project at the time.
jjav 3y ago
> Put all your data in "the cloud", give up control, and be subjected to the whims of big tech. I try but I wish I could make more people understand the implications of this. If your data is in any "cloud", it is entirely at the whim of those companies whether you can lose access permanently at any moment. For any data that you actually care to be able to access in the future with some reasonable assurance, you must have either a local copy in your control or an enterprise-level support contract with SLAs with the cloud provider. The latter is expensive so for personal use of personal data, local copy is the only practical answer.
Shish2k 3y ago
> the tech industry refuses to build anything decent that "just works” locally If a significant number of users were willing to pay for this, I’d gladly build it… evidence would suggest that very few people actually care strongly enough to open their wallets though :(
TheCleric 3y ago
I'm probably being too simplistic, but that sounds like most commercial NAS solutions (depending what you are trying to do past "local version of Google Drive").
anuraaga 3y ago
I have something in Dropbox from many years ago which I don't remember. It tomorrow I found I couldn't login to my account since it was deleted, yes I would wonder what I lost, but I would also acknowledge that I wasn't actually using that data and had some forced spring cleaning. It's ok really. 2 years is a long time to not login to a single Google service given their reach, let alone the one that might have data like Drive. Speaking on principal, not reality , for a free service that costs the end user $0 and the provider >$0 makes absolutely no sense to complain.

marcinzm 3y ago

Feels to me that the upkeep effort of a local server is more than the upkeep effort of logging into a service once every year.

Arnt 3y ago
GP is basically saying that the upkeep of a local server should be less than it is. And that if server upkeep isn't as easy as it should be, that's because the people whose duty it is to provide that have shirked their duty, and they are to blame. Personally I'm happy that he doesn't include me in the set of shirkers to be blamed.
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  I just checked my local network website, I started running it in 2021, but havent touched it since mid 2022. I might have checked to see if the computer(raspi4) is on since then, I can't remember why I would have done this, maybe to show a friend. Somehow not only is the computer still on(How? shouldnt a power outage have turned this off at some point?), but the server still is working perfectly. I genuinely don't understand, but its recording sound and temp data as we speak. To be fair, I did mess around in 2021 to ensure things were robust since I was working on an Embedded project at the time.

jjav 3y ago

> Put all your data in "the cloud", give up control, and be subjected to the whims of big tech. I try but I wish I could make more people understand the implications of this. If your data is in any "cloud", it is entirely at the whim of those companies whether you can lose access permanently at any moment. For any data that you actually care to be able to access in the future with some reasonable assurance, you must have either a local copy in your control or an enterprise-level support contract with SLAs with the cloud provider. The latter is expensive so for personal use of personal data, local copy is the only practical answer.

Shish2k 3y ago

> the tech industry refuses to build anything decent that "just works” locally If a significant number of users were willing to pay for this, I’d gladly build it… evidence would suggest that very few people actually care strongly enough to open their wallets though :(

TheCleric 3y ago

I'm probably being too simplistic, but that sounds like most commercial NAS solutions (depending what you are trying to do past "local version of Google Drive").

anuraaga 3y ago

I have something in Dropbox from many years ago which I don't remember. It tomorrow I found I couldn't login to my account since it was deleted, yes I would wonder what I lost, but I would also acknowledge that I wasn't actually using that data and had some forced spring cleaning. It's ok really. 2 years is a long time to not login to a single Google service given their reach, let alone the one that might have data like Drive. Speaking on principal, not reality , for a free service that costs the end user $0 and the provider >$0 makes absolutely no sense to complain.