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> Does anybody believe you can use this "one cool trick" to circumvent EU privacy laws? At least most of the German and French media industries do, and they've
by jsnell 3y ago
> Does anybody believe you can use this "one cool trick" to circumvent EU privacy laws?
At least most of the German and French media industries do, and they've been getting away with doing the exact same pay-or-consent thing for years. So it's easy to see why Meta would think it'll work for them as well.
(I think Meta will lose this, but it'll be a good test for whether the laws really are the same for everyone.)
> What if a privacy subscription costs $1000/mo?
That's a weak argument, because it implies that there is a price at which this is OK. I.e. there's no actual principle at stake and we're just haggling about the price.
And if it comes to some price being ok, Meta isn't trying to charge $1k/month like in your thought experiment, but an amount pretty close to what a typical Facebook user in Europe produces in ad revenue. Trying to argue that pricing that just matches e.g. the 80th percentile user is unreasonable seems like a loser.
- pseudalopex 3y ago> That's a weak argument, because it implies that there is a price at which this is OK. It implied the opposite to me.
- jsnell 3y agoReally? If there's no price at which it's ok and it's always equally unreasonable, then why bring price into it at all? Just to be clear: I think what Meta is doing should be found non-compliant with the GDPR due to consent-or-pay not counting as freely given consent, but it is less of a slam dunk than it should be due to what the newspapers have been allowed to do. But if that argument fails, complaining about the cost being too high is not going to work as a backup strategy.
- pseudalopex 3y ago> If there's no price at which it's ok and it's always equally unreasonable, then why bring price into it at all? The article brought price into it. But everyone must admit $1000 would be illegal. And €12.99 is illegal for the same reason $1000 would be illegal.
- jdasdf 3y ago>At least most of the German and French media industries do, and they've been getting away with doing the exact same pay-or-consent thing for years. And they are wrong there too. This is not a "Pay or see ads" issue, this is a "pay or consent" issue.
- rvbissell 3y agoI am as bothered by the notion of "pay or consent" as you are. But under GDPR, it seems that "pay or else see ads" is unworkable without express giving of consent for the ads option.