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Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? I like, prefer, and use the fediverse in its current state personally.

Qwertious 3y ago
>Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it.
- master-lincoln 3y ago
  > >Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? > The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it. It's not a video watching Website. It's a video serving platform in the fediverse. You can use it to host videos independently. It's not necessarily meant as a platform with a single entry point for users to find any kind of video like YouTube. It's more comparable to WordPress maybe
- cchance 3y ago
  You realize this can be run by individuals and groups with their own videos that aren't actually looking for third party uploads.
phh 3y ago
On one side, I want to say "well, I would like them to kill YouTube, and have all our videos through federation" Oh the other side, I miss the era of low volume content of passionate people. I didn't live such an era for the internet, but I did for smartphones. Back in 2009, you didn't need "have 25 people test your app" requirements, because people pushing apps cared about their apps. You didn't need to go through a dozen of apps before finding one with a usable amount of ads. Heck, runtime permissions weren't required because developers were reasonable in their usage of permissions I'm not much a fan of videos, so I don't really know whether the same happened with youtube. But the way I consume the few youtube videos I watch is just to "follow" people [1], there is way too much meaningless content in youtube to even glimpse at what there is, and those algorithms really don't favor high-quality content, just baiting ones. So I feel the fediverse wouldn't have to grow much for me to replace YouTube. [1] I also look at tournesol.app recommendations, but they are /waay/ too oriented towards their very own microcosm, and even though I'd like to contribute it takes quite a lot of time. That being said, I recommend taking a look at tournesol.app because there is real democracy research behind it
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paulnpace 3y ago
> Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? All those who don't remember we are in Eternal September.
The_Colonel 3y ago
It's frustrating how people only take the capitalist / startup founder point of view when evaluating open source. It's like people can't grasp the idea that somebody could be pursuing a project without having the greatest possible user base / profit as their primary goal.
- toastercat 3y ago
  You hit the nail on the head. Hacker News ironically tends to be pretty hostile towards open-source. Offering free and open alternatives is often met with the criticism of "this will never take off and it's not really an alternative because it doesn't do what the multi-billion dollar corporate competitor does to a tee."
  - Goronmon 3y ago
    You hit the nail on the head. Hacker News ironically tends to be pretty hostile towards open-source. It's actually much better than it used to be. Since it's roots are in startup culture, there has always been an under-current favoring capitalistic stances. Those currents have weakened over time though. At one point things like dark patterns for user engagement were given a more neutral response than you would see nowadays.
  - rakoo 3y ago
    If you dig deep enough, you'll see that "open-source" is actually the preferred term for HN because it is business-friendly: I can use this open-source, depolitized piece of code to make money and not give any to anyone. It's why the term "open source" exists when "Libre" also defines it, but as an anti-business sound to it.
- cchance 3y ago
  Hackernews really does seem to be heavily capitalist, and anti-opensource when it comes to the comments section at least.
- yborg 3y ago
  It would have been highly amusing if HN had been around when Linus launched Linux and we could go back and read commentary from all the pragmatists about what a huge waste of time and effort it was across the whole spectrum of casual dismissal to a sense of outrage that anyone would have the hubris to take on major companies already providing far superior platforms.

>Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it.

master-lincoln 3y ago
> >Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? > The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it. It's not a video watching Website. It's a video serving platform in the fediverse. You can use it to host videos independently. It's not necessarily meant as a platform with a single entry point for users to find any kind of video like YouTube. It's more comparable to WordPress maybe
cchance 3y ago
You realize this can be run by individuals and groups with their own videos that aren't actually looking for third party uploads.

phh 3y ago

On one side, I want to say "well, I would like them to kill YouTube, and have all our videos through federation" Oh the other side, I miss the era of low volume content of passionate people. I didn't live such an era for the internet, but I did for smartphones. Back in 2009, you didn't need "have 25 people test your app" requirements, because people pushing apps cared about their apps. You didn't need to go through a dozen of apps before finding one with a usable amount of ads. Heck, runtime permissions weren't required because developers were reasonable in their usage of permissions I'm not much a fan of videos, so I don't really know whether the same happened with youtube. But the way I consume the few youtube videos I watch is just to "follow" people [1], there is way too much meaningless content in youtube to even glimpse at what there is, and those algorithms really don't favor high-quality content, just baiting ones. So I feel the fediverse wouldn't have to grow much for me to replace YouTube. [1] I also look at tournesol.app recommendations, but they are /waay/ too oriented towards their very own microcosm, and even though I'd like to contribute it takes quite a lot of time. That being said, I recommend taking a look at tournesol.app because there is real democracy research behind it

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paulnpace 3y ago

> Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? All those who don't remember we are in Eternal September.

The_Colonel 3y ago

It's frustrating how people only take the capitalist / startup founder point of view when evaluating open source. It's like people can't grasp the idea that somebody could be pursuing a project without having the greatest possible user base / profit as their primary goal.

toastercat 3y ago
You hit the nail on the head. Hacker News ironically tends to be pretty hostile towards open-source. Offering free and open alternatives is often met with the criticism of "this will never take off and it's not really an alternative because it doesn't do what the multi-billion dollar corporate competitor does to a tee."
- Goronmon 3y ago
  You hit the nail on the head. Hacker News ironically tends to be pretty hostile towards open-source. It's actually much better than it used to be. Since it's roots are in startup culture, there has always been an under-current favoring capitalistic stances. Those currents have weakened over time though. At one point things like dark patterns for user engagement were given a more neutral response than you would see nowadays.
- rakoo 3y ago
  If you dig deep enough, you'll see that "open-source" is actually the preferred term for HN because it is business-friendly: I can use this open-source, depolitized piece of code to make money and not give any to anyone. It's why the term "open source" exists when "Libre" also defines it, but as an anti-business sound to it.
cchance 3y ago
Hackernews really does seem to be heavily capitalist, and anti-opensource when it comes to the comments section at least.
yborg 3y ago
It would have been highly amusing if HN had been around when Linus launched Linux and we could go back and read commentary from all the pragmatists about what a huge waste of time and effort it was across the whole spectrum of casual dismissal to a sense of outrage that anyone would have the hubris to take on major companies already providing far superior platforms.