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Just no. There's no reason to believe the situation isn't how it's stated. It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontli

by maxlin 3y ago

Just no. There's no reason to believe the situation isn't how it's stated. It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontlines on ground, sometimes even to the ire of Ukranian operations when they move deeper. Logically it is not just to avoid Russians using it, but also because the Starlink service actually was never given to Ukraine to be used as an offensive weapon, which they continuously of course violated even while being donated terminals & service out of Elon's good will before DoD moved a muscle to help fund them. There's 0% chance for a location in as deep as Crimea that it wouldn't have been blocked at the time. Why keep pushing a wholly inverted view as if the blocks were somehow TURNED ON just as the Ukranian attack ships were moving in? The only thing one can reasonably think of being behind that skew is the persistent misinformation war against Musk as it not just goes against his word but common logic.

iudqnolq 3y ago
I have absolutely no evidence either way, and I don't think you do either. Notably a judge just found Elon has a history of publicly lying in the context of autopilot advertisement. You make a plausible argument, but zero percent chance is a stretch. > It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontlines on ground, Which are not the internationally recognized borders of Russia and not the sanctions boundary. So that claim by Musk you repeated earlier is clearly false.
- maxlin 3y ago
  Quit your sealioning and false equivalences. "Notably" I also just had a fart. Bears pretty much the same amount of relevance as a personal attack weaponizing some old FSD case which is pointless on its own, FSD is ahead anyone else in what it does. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/10/europe/ukraine-starlink-not-active-crimea-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/10/europe/ukraine-starlink-n... https://babel.ua/en/news/85349-ft-ukrainian-military-complains-about-starlink-disruptions-on-the-front-line-it-complicates-deoccupation#:~:text=Ukrainian%20soldiers%20have%20encountered%20outages,official%20confirmed%20that%20the https://babel.ua/en/news/85349-ft-ukrainian-military-complai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainia... You can easily find more. If you look at a general-use Starlink "geo-hex grid" you can quite easily see how it is capable of being blocked area-wise, and that has been in use since the very beginning, to avoid breaking laws, being used against the terms Ukraine has been given access for, etc. Your second point wouldn't really even require a response. What were you thinking writing that? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this considering it's not the actual border the Russians limit themselves to?
  - iudqnolq 3y ago
    You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility. That makes lies he told in the past relevant to the question of whether we should trust his unverified assertion. FSD being ahead just means his lie was unnecessary. > ? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this You said "The geoblocks ... [are] limited to not allow access in Russia due to US sanctions!" US sanctions apply at the official border, so that can't have been the real reason.
    - inemesitaffia 3y ago
      No they apply to Crimea, and Occupied Lughansk and Donbas
    - maxlin 3y ago
      > You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility No, you did. The guy's an engineer and a logical thinker, he doesn't dream up some bullshit explanations to fundamentally technical matters like the "white/blacklist" of hex squares and their default state. You seem to have some really weird semantical thing you've getting attached to on the second "point". But in the end Russians aren't limited by their border, obviously Russians are deep in Ukraine, so to deny service to Russians, the blocks are done in areas where there are mostly / only Russians. Doing something else obviously would be counter-productive to satisfy the set requirements.
      - iudqnolq 3y ago
        You continue to argue we should believe Musk. But you don't address his history of lies. Why should I believe a liar, even if he's a "logical thinker". > You seem to have some really weird semantical thing ... The semantics of what exactly is Russia and what is Ukraine turns out to be quite relevant in general to these issues.
        maxlin 3y ago
        You have a negative amount of thought to add, just slander & playing weak mind games on something like trying to say there's no Russians in Ukraine. I deem you're a Russian troll and move on.

by maxlin 3y ago

iudqnolq 3y ago

I have absolutely no evidence either way, and I don't think you do either. Notably a judge just found Elon has a history of publicly lying in the context of autopilot advertisement. You make a plausible argument, but zero percent chance is a stretch. > It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontlines on ground, Which are not the internationally recognized borders of Russia and not the sanctions boundary. So that claim by Musk you repeated earlier is clearly false.

maxlin 3y ago
Quit your sealioning and false equivalences. "Notably" I also just had a fart. Bears pretty much the same amount of relevance as a personal attack weaponizing some old FSD case which is pointless on its own, FSD is ahead anyone else in what it does. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/10/europe/ukraine-starlink-not-active-crimea-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/10/europe/ukraine-starlink-n... https://babel.ua/en/news/85349-ft-ukrainian-military-complains-about-starlink-disruptions-on-the-front-line-it-complicates-deoccupation#:~:text=Ukrainian%20soldiers%20have%20encountered%20outages,official%20confirmed%20that%20the https://babel.ua/en/news/85349-ft-ukrainian-military-complai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainia... You can easily find more. If you look at a general-use Starlink "geo-hex grid" you can quite easily see how it is capable of being blocked area-wise, and that has been in use since the very beginning, to avoid breaking laws, being used against the terms Ukraine has been given access for, etc. Your second point wouldn't really even require a response. What were you thinking writing that? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this considering it's not the actual border the Russians limit themselves to?
- iudqnolq 3y ago
  You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility. That makes lies he told in the past relevant to the question of whether we should trust his unverified assertion. FSD being ahead just means his lie was unnecessary. > ? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this You said "The geoblocks ... [are] limited to not allow access in Russia due to US sanctions!" US sanctions apply at the official border, so that can't have been the real reason.
  - inemesitaffia 3y ago
    No they apply to Crimea, and Occupied Lughansk and Donbas
  - maxlin 3y ago
    > You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility No, you did. The guy's an engineer and a logical thinker, he doesn't dream up some bullshit explanations to fundamentally technical matters like the "white/blacklist" of hex squares and their default state. You seem to have some really weird semantical thing you've getting attached to on the second "point". But in the end Russians aren't limited by their border, obviously Russians are deep in Ukraine, so to deny service to Russians, the blocks are done in areas where there are mostly / only Russians. Doing something else obviously would be counter-productive to satisfy the set requirements.
    - iudqnolq 3y ago
      You continue to argue we should believe Musk. But you don't address his history of lies. Why should I believe a liar, even if he's a "logical thinker". > You seem to have some really weird semantical thing ... The semantics of what exactly is Russia and what is Ukraine turns out to be quite relevant in general to these issues.
      - maxlin 3y ago
        You have a negative amount of thought to add, just slander & playing weak mind games on something like trying to say there's no Russians in Ukraine. I deem you're a Russian troll and move on.