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Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The user story is "I want to find and watch interesting videos" and they nail it. The user story for this, judging by their homepage (https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org), seems to be "I want a boring lecture on how bad Big Tech is"? These services need to think in terms of the casual user if they want to actually take off and offer a viable alternative. Nobody is interested in a lecture against Big Tech and the intricacies of the client/server model and the concept of "instances" (or "platform" as they're called here) if they can go on YouTube.com and immediately start watching.

mnd999 3y ago
Last time I looked at peertube it had worse problems than that. The content was mostly neo-nazis and conspiracy theories, incels and other stuff that wasn’t on YouTube because it would get banned. I’m not interested in that. Has it got any better?
- j_maffe 3y ago
  Really depends on which servers you follow.
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- lynx23 3y ago
  Wah, there is no Incel content on YouTube? What about Pearl Davis, or the flood of shorts extracted from this podcast I just cant remember right now? Personally, I much prefer a uncensored platform over arbitrary censorship by big tech. Without censorship, I can at least decide for myself if I want to watch it. In fact, I find it quite concerning that people like you seem to actively advocate for voluntary censorship.
  - Klonoar 3y ago
    They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      > they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet. I don't think that's quite right. It just needs to make sure there's plenty available in addition to the dredges of the internet. Sometimes the dredges are useful to be able to sift through, but that can't be the only thing on offer and ideally users would be able to filter that stuff out when it isn't wanted.
      - Klonoar 3y ago
        I would agree with this take in general, yes. We are more or less saying the same thing though I appreciate the nuance injection. :)
    - _heimdall 3y ago
      I've never understood this concern with online platforms. It really shouldn't matter what content people publish if discover ability is user-driven. A Twitter alternative could be full of neo-nazis, butbif my feed is only populated with people I follow them I would never know or care.
      - Klonoar 3y ago
        Sure, but you may never have found yourself on Twitter to begin with if it was full of neo Nazis. It’s like showing up to an important meeting in the wrong attire - how you present matters. The issue isn’t hiding it away - be it by user or other - it’s that it hampers growth in general when you’re all of a sudden the platform of the deranged. It’s fair to question whether it’s seeing actual use outside of those communities. (It might be telling that we’ve spent this many comments discussing it rather than pointing out e.g GNOME/Blender/etc use it - it’s not like it’s all bad)
- vintermann 3y ago
  All that stuff and worse is on Youtube too, and probably in higher quantity. It doesn't get banned - not reliably. The algorithm is just good at hiding it from you. Youtube is really good at surfacing videos you want to see. Peertube isn't. That's why you see stuff you hate, not because of censorship or the lack of it.
  - mnd999 3y ago
    Maybe, I don’t know, I don’t go looking for that stuff. Most of the stuff I watch there is video games, retro tech or hiking. I was kinda hoping for some recommendations for interesting stuff on peertube.
    - vintermann 3y ago
      Especially retro tech, I think a lot of it is fan funded (I do fund some myself). It's probably not a ton of money you get from YouTube unless you're Adrian Black. Niche youtubers you already support, but especially retro tech, are probably prime candidates for putting their stuff on Peertube too.
corobo 3y ago
I think Peertube has a bit of a benefit here in that if they can get the SEO right folks don't really need to use the federation guff to find videos, they should just be able to find them via a regular old search engine I'm not sure I agree on the content being hidden in a dark corner, there's a fair few examples of instances and content on the homepage. It'd be nice if the "Discover more" button showed more examples rather than dumping you into a search engine but it's not terrible.
- vintermann 3y ago
  The regular old search engine controlled by a company that would lose billions if Peertube took off? No, it's true that YouTube's advantage is the same as Spotify's advantage: Discovery. It has an actually damn good recommendation engine. It fairly regularly shows me videos with less than 10000 views that are spot on. I'd love to use Peertube over Youtube, but I have to actually know of something cool on Peertube first, and finding it by searching is pretty hopeless.
  - corobo 3y ago
    I said a regular old search engine, not the. There's more than one search engine. As for the implication that Google may boost YouTube or deboost Peertube in search results, good news! There's already a lawsuit in progress there with Rumble, so hopefully we'll see if they are doing that at some point in the (relatively speaking for this kind of thing) near future :) https://casetext.com/case/rumble-inc-v-google-llc-5 https://casetext.com/case/rumble-inc-v-google-llc-5 Latest update I could find on this: https://twitter.com/chrispavlovski/status/1727044344430166271 https://twitter.com/chrispavlovski/status/172704434443016627...
clot27 3y ago
They never say they want to replace YouTube, they just want to be there as an alternative for nerds
MiguelX413 3y ago
Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? I like, prefer, and use the fediverse in its current state personally.
- Qwertious 3y ago
  >Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it.
  - master-lincoln 3y ago
    > >Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? > The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it. It's not a video watching Website. It's a video serving platform in the fediverse. You can use it to host videos independently. It's not necessarily meant as a platform with a single entry point for users to find any kind of video like YouTube. It's more comparable to WordPress maybe
  - cchance 3y ago
    You realize this can be run by individuals and groups with their own videos that aren't actually looking for third party uploads.
- phh 3y ago
  On one side, I want to say "well, I would like them to kill YouTube, and have all our videos through federation" Oh the other side, I miss the era of low volume content of passionate people. I didn't live such an era for the internet, but I did for smartphones. Back in 2009, you didn't need "have 25 people test your app" requirements, because people pushing apps cared about their apps. You didn't need to go through a dozen of apps before finding one with a usable amount of ads. Heck, runtime permissions weren't required because developers were reasonable in their usage of permissions I'm not much a fan of videos, so I don't really know whether the same happened with youtube. But the way I consume the few youtube videos I watch is just to "follow" people [1], there is way too much meaningless content in youtube to even glimpse at what there is, and those algorithms really don't favor high-quality content, just baiting ones. So I feel the fediverse wouldn't have to grow much for me to replace YouTube. [1] I also look at tournesol.app recommendations, but they are /waay/ too oriented towards their very own microcosm, and even though I'd like to contribute it takes quite a lot of time. That being said, I recommend taking a look at tournesol.app because there is real democracy research behind it
grumbel 3y ago
Yep, efforts to replace Youtube (and the rest of BigTech) should be spend on building better search and cataloging of videos across all the Web instead of focusing all effort on one specific hosting technology that nobody uses. I'd be much more inclined to use a service or software that improves on Youtube by including other sources of videos, then one that tries to replace Youtube with their own set of (drastically inferior) videos. Miro[1] tried that a long while ago, but I haven't really seen much else going that direction since then. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miro_(video_software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miro_(video_software)
- rakoo 3y ago
  Okay but what service exists that doesn't exhibit the same problems as youtube, ie the necessity of hyper-growth to satisfy investors, ads everywhere, total surveillance of its users ? Because a search engine that indexes only services like that won't really solve the problem _if_ the problem is to respect users' and community's freedom and privacy.
  - grumbel 3y ago
    It's doesn't really matter what the service is doing when you aren't using the service in the first place. Right now I can use `yt-dlp`, download videos from Youtube and watch them in a video player of my choice. I never have to interact with the Youtube platform directly for this, it just acts as dumb server that hosts `.mp4` files. Same is true for a lot of other services. The missing part is a good way to discover those videos in the first place. Subscriptions and recommendations are not something your average Web browser or search engine provides, yet are really important for discovering content. That's the kind of features I'd like to see implemented in a service independent manner. RSS went that direction, but not far enough, as it generally depend on the service itself to provide that information, instead generating it automatically from information found via webscraping.
    - rakoo 3y ago
      You don't care about most users, and you don't care about creators, that's alright, but please don't behave as if they didn't matter. You are not representative of useful population if you use yt-dlp to bypass issues. It's nice that you can do it, but it's a shitty situation that you have to do it to evade pervasive surveillance and the madness capitalism brings us into. YouTube doesn't want you to see their videos outside YouTube. They let you do it at the moment because it's more profitable this way, but you'll always be fighting against them. Why not propel a platform you don't have to fight against ? One that serves your needs because it is a digital commons ? yt-dlp and any other means of accessing content can be built with the platform instead of against. You behave as if you were totally independent from platforms, but it's wrong: as a user you depend on them. You depend on developers maintaining it and making it better, on admins running it, on business people allowing you to freeride. It doesn't make sense to live in a society where we are adversaries by default, it's such a waste of time and energy.
mikae1 3y ago
Also, switching costs are high when big tech has the first mover advantage. The Digital Markets Act might stir things up. Meta being designated as gatekeepers are the only reason they're considering connecting Threads to the fediverse. Imagine if YouTube was a PeerTube compatible instance in the fediverse that displayed videos from other PeerTube instances. We wouldn't have to "switch platforms". The interoperability that Doctorow preaches needs to be implemented by law. Or else the status quo will remain.
alex_duf 3y ago
I think it's possible to use peertube to create a service that does what you describe. Maybe the way forward is peertube provides the technology, and someone else focuses on how best to use that technology to fulfil that user story. Any volunteer?
johnchristopher 3y ago
> YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The user story is "I want to find and watch interesting videos" and they nail it. You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. Thinking audience and monetization, is basically thinking "youtube clone", and that narrows outlooks on what peertube brings to the table. > The user story for this, judging by their homepage (https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org), seems to be "I want a boring lecture on how bad Big Tech is"? Just pick a different paragraph then: What is PeerTube? PeerTube allows you to create your own video platform, in complete independence.
- ploum 3y ago
  At some point, someone literate enough to understand how bad Big Tech is but still promoting Big Tech should be face it. It is like smoking. People say "I know that smoking kill, I don’t want to be reminded all the time". Well, as long as you are polluting and killing innocents by smoking in their vicinity, you are the asshole. You don’t seem to understand so people keep telling you (and, guess what, in the case of Peertube, they even tell you in a friendly way with cute mascots.)
  - DeIlliad 3y ago
    Comparing using Youtube to smoking is why I can never take these conversations seriously.
    - rakoo 3y ago
      And yet the comparison is apt. Both provide ephemeral positive signals to the brain at a cost that is detrimental to individuals' or society's health (not even talking about environment, which is a part of society's health).
  - BobaFloutist 3y ago
    "I want to find something to do other than smoking. I find I smoke the most when I"m bored." "Have you considered attending this lecture about the dangers of smoking?"
immibis 3y ago
Taking control of your digital life will always be unappealing because it means you have to do the drudge work. There is no possible escape from massive corporations.
- fny 3y ago
  That’s not true. A nonprofit/coop could in theory run single peertube instance.
  - immibis 3y ago
    Then you're beholden to it, and it will not be as lenient as Google is in some legal grey areas, because it cannot afford any legal liability. For example, it would ban Louis Rossmann after just one cease-and-desist from Apple, because it couldn't afford to withstand a SLAPP lawsuit from Apple. (A SLAPP lawsuit is when you sue someone who hasn't done anything wrong, because you're a big company who can afford to bankrupt them with legal fees)
    - persnickety 3y ago
      It's totally viable to create an entity in a jurisdiction where lawsuits are not automatically ruinous and stick to your principles. On top of that, a small entity would not be as lenient about Google in terms of customer support or taking advantage of your personal data.
      - immibis 3y ago
        Ah yes. Let me just register a public Peertube instance in checks notes Malaysia.
- DoItToMe81 3y ago
  Peertube takes under twenty minutes to set up. It's really, really not hard.
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greentea23 3y ago
Youtube could disappear or, more realistically, become heavily censored (internally or externally) at any time for a variety of reasons. The true value of this project and other federated or fully distributed and open source alternatives is to have a freedom friendly alternative should the need present itself.
- Gareth321 3y ago
  Most end users don’t care about the “what if?” They care about the right now. What does this offer today? Maybe I’m being unfair and this isn’t targeted at end users but professionals. Is that the case? Then the landing page makes a lot more sense.
  - cchance 3y ago
    This app is pointed at the people who do care, and not to end users, end users aren't running servers or video platforms.
cchance 3y ago
The story on peertubes site isn't directed at the "i want to find and watch interesting video" crowd, it's for the "i want to run a site where people can watch videos, but i hate big monopolies" crowd
agumonkey 3y ago
It's a short analysis, youtube is centralized and acts as a hub, it's amazing to feel you have access to everything but it quickly devolves into mediocre content. There's good content on peertube, surely not as much, but this era is overcooked with too much content, it's nice to have less. My main issue is how to get a large view of what is available because you end up on isolated islands and you're never sure what is there.
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mnd999 3y ago

Last time I looked at peertube it had worse problems than that. The content was mostly neo-nazis and conspiracy theories, incels and other stuff that wasn’t on YouTube because it would get banned. I’m not interested in that. Has it got any better?

j_maffe 3y ago
Really depends on which servers you follow.
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lynx23 3y ago
Wah, there is no Incel content on YouTube? What about Pearl Davis, or the flood of shorts extracted from this podcast I just cant remember right now? Personally, I much prefer a uncensored platform over arbitrary censorship by big tech. Without censorship, I can at least decide for myself if I want to watch it. In fact, I find it quite concerning that people like you seem to actively advocate for voluntary censorship.
- Klonoar 3y ago
  They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    > they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet. I don't think that's quite right. It just needs to make sure there's plenty available in addition to the dredges of the internet. Sometimes the dredges are useful to be able to sift through, but that can't be the only thing on offer and ideally users would be able to filter that stuff out when it isn't wanted.
    - Klonoar 3y ago
      I would agree with this take in general, yes. We are more or less saying the same thing though I appreciate the nuance injection. :)
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    I've never understood this concern with online platforms. It really shouldn't matter what content people publish if discover ability is user-driven. A Twitter alternative could be full of neo-nazis, butbif my feed is only populated with people I follow them I would never know or care.
    - Klonoar 3y ago
      Sure, but you may never have found yourself on Twitter to begin with if it was full of neo Nazis. It’s like showing up to an important meeting in the wrong attire - how you present matters. The issue isn’t hiding it away - be it by user or other - it’s that it hampers growth in general when you’re all of a sudden the platform of the deranged. It’s fair to question whether it’s seeing actual use outside of those communities. (It might be telling that we’ve spent this many comments discussing it rather than pointing out e.g GNOME/Blender/etc use it - it’s not like it’s all bad)
vintermann 3y ago
All that stuff and worse is on Youtube too, and probably in higher quantity. It doesn't get banned - not reliably. The algorithm is just good at hiding it from you. Youtube is really good at surfacing videos you want to see. Peertube isn't. That's why you see stuff you hate, not because of censorship or the lack of it.
- mnd999 3y ago
  Maybe, I don’t know, I don’t go looking for that stuff. Most of the stuff I watch there is video games, retro tech or hiking. I was kinda hoping for some recommendations for interesting stuff on peertube.
  - vintermann 3y ago
    Especially retro tech, I think a lot of it is fan funded (I do fund some myself). It's probably not a ton of money you get from YouTube unless you're Adrian Black. Niche youtubers you already support, but especially retro tech, are probably prime candidates for putting their stuff on Peertube too.

corobo 3y ago

I think Peertube has a bit of a benefit here in that if they can get the SEO right folks don't really need to use the federation guff to find videos, they should just be able to find them via a regular old search engine I'm not sure I agree on the content being hidden in a dark corner, there's a fair few examples of instances and content on the homepage. It'd be nice if the "Discover more" button showed more examples rather than dumping you into a search engine but it's not terrible.

vintermann 3y ago
The regular old search engine controlled by a company that would lose billions if Peertube took off? No, it's true that YouTube's advantage is the same as Spotify's advantage: Discovery. It has an actually damn good recommendation engine. It fairly regularly shows me videos with less than 10000 views that are spot on. I'd love to use Peertube over Youtube, but I have to actually know of something cool on Peertube first, and finding it by searching is pretty hopeless.
- corobo 3y ago
  I said a regular old search engine, not the. There's more than one search engine. As for the implication that Google may boost YouTube or deboost Peertube in search results, good news! There's already a lawsuit in progress there with Rumble, so hopefully we'll see if they are doing that at some point in the (relatively speaking for this kind of thing) near future :) https://casetext.com/case/rumble-inc-v-google-llc-5 https://casetext.com/case/rumble-inc-v-google-llc-5 Latest update I could find on this: https://twitter.com/chrispavlovski/status/1727044344430166271 https://twitter.com/chrispavlovski/status/172704434443016627...

clot27 3y ago

They never say they want to replace YouTube, they just want to be there as an alternative for nerds

MiguelX413 3y ago

Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? I like, prefer, and use the fediverse in its current state personally.

Qwertious 3y ago
>Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it.
- master-lincoln 3y ago
  > >Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? > The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it. It's not a video watching Website. It's a video serving platform in the fediverse. You can use it to host videos independently. It's not necessarily meant as a platform with a single entry point for users to find any kind of video like YouTube. It's more comparable to WordPress maybe
- cchance 3y ago
  You realize this can be run by individuals and groups with their own videos that aren't actually looking for third party uploads.
phh 3y ago
On one side, I want to say "well, I would like them to kill YouTube, and have all our videos through federation" Oh the other side, I miss the era of low volume content of passionate people. I didn't live such an era for the internet, but I did for smartphones. Back in 2009, you didn't need "have 25 people test your app" requirements, because people pushing apps cared about their apps. You didn't need to go through a dozen of apps before finding one with a usable amount of ads. Heck, runtime permissions weren't required because developers were reasonable in their usage of permissions I'm not much a fan of videos, so I don't really know whether the same happened with youtube. But the way I consume the few youtube videos I watch is just to "follow" people [1], there is way too much meaningless content in youtube to even glimpse at what there is, and those algorithms really don't favor high-quality content, just baiting ones. So I feel the fediverse wouldn't have to grow much for me to replace YouTube. [1] I also look at tournesol.app recommendations, but they are /waay/ too oriented towards their very own microcosm, and even though I'd like to contribute it takes quite a lot of time. That being said, I recommend taking a look at tournesol.app because there is real democracy research behind it

grumbel 3y ago

Yep, efforts to replace Youtube (and the rest of BigTech) should be spend on building better search and cataloging of videos across all the Web instead of focusing all effort on one specific hosting technology that nobody uses. I'd be much more inclined to use a service or software that improves on Youtube by including other sources of videos, then one that tries to replace Youtube with their own set of (drastically inferior) videos. Miro[1] tried that a long while ago, but I haven't really seen much else going that direction since then. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miro_(video_software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miro_(video_software)

rakoo 3y ago
Okay but what service exists that doesn't exhibit the same problems as youtube, ie the necessity of hyper-growth to satisfy investors, ads everywhere, total surveillance of its users ? Because a search engine that indexes only services like that won't really solve the problem _if_ the problem is to respect users' and community's freedom and privacy.
- grumbel 3y ago
  It's doesn't really matter what the service is doing when you aren't using the service in the first place. Right now I can use `yt-dlp`, download videos from Youtube and watch them in a video player of my choice. I never have to interact with the Youtube platform directly for this, it just acts as dumb server that hosts `.mp4` files. Same is true for a lot of other services. The missing part is a good way to discover those videos in the first place. Subscriptions and recommendations are not something your average Web browser or search engine provides, yet are really important for discovering content. That's the kind of features I'd like to see implemented in a service independent manner. RSS went that direction, but not far enough, as it generally depend on the service itself to provide that information, instead generating it automatically from information found via webscraping.
  - rakoo 3y ago
    You don't care about most users, and you don't care about creators, that's alright, but please don't behave as if they didn't matter. You are not representative of useful population if you use yt-dlp to bypass issues. It's nice that you can do it, but it's a shitty situation that you have to do it to evade pervasive surveillance and the madness capitalism brings us into. YouTube doesn't want you to see their videos outside YouTube. They let you do it at the moment because it's more profitable this way, but you'll always be fighting against them. Why not propel a platform you don't have to fight against ? One that serves your needs because it is a digital commons ? yt-dlp and any other means of accessing content can be built with the platform instead of against. You behave as if you were totally independent from platforms, but it's wrong: as a user you depend on them. You depend on developers maintaining it and making it better, on admins running it, on business people allowing you to freeride. It doesn't make sense to live in a society where we are adversaries by default, it's such a waste of time and energy.

mikae1 3y ago

Also, switching costs are high when big tech has the first mover advantage. The Digital Markets Act might stir things up. Meta being designated as gatekeepers are the only reason they're considering connecting Threads to the fediverse. Imagine if YouTube was a PeerTube compatible instance in the fediverse that displayed videos from other PeerTube instances. We wouldn't have to "switch platforms". The interoperability that Doctorow preaches needs to be implemented by law. Or else the status quo will remain.

alex_duf 3y ago

I think it's possible to use peertube to create a service that does what you describe. Maybe the way forward is peertube provides the technology, and someone else focuses on how best to use that technology to fulfil that user story. Any volunteer?

johnchristopher 3y ago

> YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The user story is "I want to find and watch interesting videos" and they nail it. You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. Thinking audience and monetization, is basically thinking "youtube clone", and that narrows outlooks on what peertube brings to the table. > The user story for this, judging by their homepage (https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org), seems to be "I want a boring lecture on how bad Big Tech is"? Just pick a different paragraph then: What is PeerTube? PeerTube allows you to create your own video platform, in complete independence.

ploum 3y ago
At some point, someone literate enough to understand how bad Big Tech is but still promoting Big Tech should be face it. It is like smoking. People say "I know that smoking kill, I don’t want to be reminded all the time". Well, as long as you are polluting and killing innocents by smoking in their vicinity, you are the asshole. You don’t seem to understand so people keep telling you (and, guess what, in the case of Peertube, they even tell you in a friendly way with cute mascots.)
- DeIlliad 3y ago
  Comparing using Youtube to smoking is why I can never take these conversations seriously.
  - rakoo 3y ago
    And yet the comparison is apt. Both provide ephemeral positive signals to the brain at a cost that is detrimental to individuals' or society's health (not even talking about environment, which is a part of society's health).
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
  "I want to find something to do other than smoking. I find I smoke the most when I"m bored." "Have you considered attending this lecture about the dangers of smoking?"

immibis 3y ago

Taking control of your digital life will always be unappealing because it means you have to do the drudge work. There is no possible escape from massive corporations.

fny 3y ago
That’s not true. A nonprofit/coop could in theory run single peertube instance.
- immibis 3y ago
  Then you're beholden to it, and it will not be as lenient as Google is in some legal grey areas, because it cannot afford any legal liability. For example, it would ban Louis Rossmann after just one cease-and-desist from Apple, because it couldn't afford to withstand a SLAPP lawsuit from Apple. (A SLAPP lawsuit is when you sue someone who hasn't done anything wrong, because you're a big company who can afford to bankrupt them with legal fees)
  - persnickety 3y ago
    It's totally viable to create an entity in a jurisdiction where lawsuits are not automatically ruinous and stick to your principles. On top of that, a small entity would not be as lenient about Google in terms of customer support or taking advantage of your personal data.
    - immibis 3y ago
      Ah yes. Let me just register a public Peertube instance in checks notes Malaysia.
DoItToMe81 3y ago
Peertube takes under twenty minutes to set up. It's really, really not hard.
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greentea23 3y ago

Youtube could disappear or, more realistically, become heavily censored (internally or externally) at any time for a variety of reasons. The true value of this project and other federated or fully distributed and open source alternatives is to have a freedom friendly alternative should the need present itself.

Gareth321 3y ago
Most end users don’t care about the “what if?” They care about the right now. What does this offer today? Maybe I’m being unfair and this isn’t targeted at end users but professionals. Is that the case? Then the landing page makes a lot more sense.
- cchance 3y ago
  This app is pointed at the people who do care, and not to end users, end users aren't running servers or video platforms.

cchance 3y ago

The story on peertubes site isn't directed at the "i want to find and watch interesting video" crowd, it's for the "i want to run a site where people can watch videos, but i hate big monopolies" crowd

agumonkey 3y ago

It's a short analysis, youtube is centralized and acts as a hub, it's amazing to feel you have access to everything but it quickly devolves into mediocre content. There's good content on peertube, surely not as much, but this era is overcooked with too much content, it's nice to have less. My main issue is how to get a large view of what is available because you end up on isolated islands and you're never sure what is there.

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