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Truly inspiring work from Framasoft! I just hope for more adoption. I don't know if anyone remembers the days of Firefox 2 and 3 and the days of "community mark

Truly inspiring work from Framasoft! I just hope for more adoption. I don't know if anyone remembers the days of Firefox 2 and 3 and the days of "community marketing" but I think something like that could be a worthwhile project here. I would love, for instance, if significant creators could do a Framasoft February each year where they commit to hosting some portion of videos of their choice on Peertube.

hutzlibu 3y ago
Well, how reliable is peertube? Say I would do a ShowHN, that gets traction and a HN hug of death. In theory peertube could take the load for the videos without having to rely on youtube - but has anyone done this succesful in reality?
- j_maffe 3y ago
  They talk about stress-testing of livestreaming towards the end of the article. A quick search shows that they've done several of them for videos as well. The peer-to-peer structure really protects them from sudden scale in demand.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "The peer-to-peer structure really protects them from sudden scale in demand." In theory, for sure. But in reality the p2p part might not work for lots of users for various reasons (firewall etc.) so then the server gets all the load and chokes. At least that has be my experience when experimenting with webRTC. "Last year, thanks to French indie journalist David Dufresne’s Au Poste ! livestream show and his hoster Octopuce, we got a livestream stress test with more than 400 simultaneous viewers " And 400 is not a very big number, if one has ambitious goals. But it is a good start.
    - amomo 3y ago
      Indeed it's not a big number, but you don't need to have a lot of viewers to be in the top 1% of twitch : https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1367868296473813001 https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1367868296473813001 So, what if peertube was a good answer to 99% cases ?
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        Oh, then those people should certainly use peertube. But then personally I would like to have a safe fallback, but this creates overhead.
      - glenstein 3y ago
        Moreover, could we zoom out and ask what's at stake with this kind of question? What does a road map from Peertube in its present day towards twitch or YouTube level adoption look like, how long would that take? I ask because that's the kind of runway where there's time to continue to work out questions like this, and they aren't at present make or break, and so far as I can tell there's no reason to believe issues about firewalls pose an issue that's any more or less difficult than the technical challenges they've already solved.
        hutzlibu 3y ago
        "there's no reason to believe issues about firewalls pose an issue that's any more or less difficult than the technical challenges they've already solved." Certainly. I am 100% certain that the whole concept is doable.
joelthelion 3y ago
Framasoft February sounds like a great idea! I would definitely ask my favorite content providers to participate.
- glenstein 3y ago
  Well my thinking is that you can hardly think of an easier, lower-stakes ask than asking creators to voluntarily agree that something from their back catalog gets hosted and a new place. And it allows old content to do new work, breathing life into a new platform.

hutzlibu 3y ago

Well, how reliable is peertube? Say I would do a ShowHN, that gets traction and a HN hug of death. In theory peertube could take the load for the videos without having to rely on youtube - but has anyone done this succesful in reality?

j_maffe 3y ago
They talk about stress-testing of livestreaming towards the end of the article. A quick search shows that they've done several of them for videos as well. The peer-to-peer structure really protects them from sudden scale in demand.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  "The peer-to-peer structure really protects them from sudden scale in demand." In theory, for sure. But in reality the p2p part might not work for lots of users for various reasons (firewall etc.) so then the server gets all the load and chokes. At least that has be my experience when experimenting with webRTC. "Last year, thanks to French indie journalist David Dufresne’s Au Poste ! livestream show and his hoster Octopuce, we got a livestream stress test with more than 400 simultaneous viewers " And 400 is not a very big number, if one has ambitious goals. But it is a good start.
  - amomo 3y ago
    Indeed it's not a big number, but you don't need to have a lot of viewers to be in the top 1% of twitch : https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1367868296473813001 https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1367868296473813001 So, what if peertube was a good answer to 99% cases ?
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      Oh, then those people should certainly use peertube. But then personally I would like to have a safe fallback, but this creates overhead.
    - glenstein 3y ago
      Moreover, could we zoom out and ask what's at stake with this kind of question? What does a road map from Peertube in its present day towards twitch or YouTube level adoption look like, how long would that take? I ask because that's the kind of runway where there's time to continue to work out questions like this, and they aren't at present make or break, and so far as I can tell there's no reason to believe issues about firewalls pose an issue that's any more or less difficult than the technical challenges they've already solved.
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        "there's no reason to believe issues about firewalls pose an issue that's any more or less difficult than the technical challenges they've already solved." Certainly. I am 100% certain that the whole concept is doable.

joelthelion 3y ago

Framasoft February sounds like a great idea! I would definitely ask my favorite content providers to participate.

glenstein 3y ago
Well my thinking is that you can hardly think of an easier, lower-stakes ask than asking creators to voluntarily agree that something from their back catalog gets hosted and a new place. And it allows old content to do new work, breathing life into a new platform.