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Can you read my last sentence? Instead of letting "fact checkers" do the thinking for you, make some effort to actually think for yourself. By the way, being s

Can you read my last sentence? Instead of letting "fact checkers" do the thinking for you, make some effort to actually think for yourself. By the way, being skeptical of climate change doesn't mean being against measures to reduce pollution (which is the only sensible position).

ben_w 3y ago
> Instead of letting "fact checkers" do the thinking for you, make some effort to actually think for yourself. Have you tried doing that yourself? Or are you only willing to believe the interpretations you want to believe? And yes, "interpretations" is valid — imagine talking about "killing child with fork" to someone who knows nothing about computers, what they would think, how they would react. Would sound a lot like the pizzagate conspiracy theory, wouldn't it? And yet, the reality of those words in the context of Unix is nothing remotely close to that.
- a-french-anon 3y ago
  Who would be daft enough to publicly mock people for something he's guilty of? Yes I did, and while my conclusion is not "climate change is fake!!1!", I did find fuel for mistrust in those mails. Classic case of researchers knowing what they have to find before even starting, possibly with some economic and/or ideological (which means emotional, for most) incentives. Mind you, it's not a big shock to me, as I did my studies in a university with bigshot researchers around, and they never struck me as significantly wiser (as in "not fooling yourself") than average; more intelligent, sure.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    > Who would be daft enough to publicly mock people for something he's guilty of? Apart from most of the human species? :P
    - a-french-anon 3y ago
      Guess I'm a bit naïve. Rhetorically, it'd be strange for someone to make such a bold lie then freely admit it, though.
defrost 3y ago
> Can you read my last sentence? How stereotypically French of you .. try to be less cartoonishly condescending, particularly as you seem the type to so readily fall for the Lord Monckton school of bullshit and misdirection. The links are for others, I've read more than just the cherry picked emails framed in a mountain from a molehill campaign of smoke, noise and no substance. For my part I've been an exploration geophysicist doing multispectral global mapping for energy and mineral resource companies since the 1980s after completing degrees in maths and physics, writing earth mapping and computation software, building and field deploying a variety of aquisition and processing instrumentation. AGW is clearly established fact, the physics is sound, measurements of decades backs up everything claimed in recent years, paloeclimatology is sound.

ben_w 3y ago

> Instead of letting "fact checkers" do the thinking for you, make some effort to actually think for yourself. Have you tried doing that yourself? Or are you only willing to believe the interpretations you want to believe? And yes, "interpretations" is valid — imagine talking about "killing child with fork" to someone who knows nothing about computers, what they would think, how they would react. Would sound a lot like the pizzagate conspiracy theory, wouldn't it? And yet, the reality of those words in the context of Unix is nothing remotely close to that.

a-french-anon 3y ago
Who would be daft enough to publicly mock people for something he's guilty of? Yes I did, and while my conclusion is not "climate change is fake!!1!", I did find fuel for mistrust in those mails. Classic case of researchers knowing what they have to find before even starting, possibly with some economic and/or ideological (which means emotional, for most) incentives. Mind you, it's not a big shock to me, as I did my studies in a university with bigshot researchers around, and they never struck me as significantly wiser (as in "not fooling yourself") than average; more intelligent, sure.
- ben_w 3y ago
  > Who would be daft enough to publicly mock people for something he's guilty of? Apart from most of the human species? :P
  - a-french-anon 3y ago
    Guess I'm a bit naïve. Rhetorically, it'd be strange for someone to make such a bold lie then freely admit it, though.

defrost 3y ago

> Can you read my last sentence? How stereotypically French of you .. try to be less cartoonishly condescending, particularly as you seem the type to so readily fall for the Lord Monckton school of bullshit and misdirection. The links are for others, I've read more than just the cherry picked emails framed in a mountain from a molehill campaign of smoke, noise and no substance. For my part I've been an exploration geophysicist doing multispectral global mapping for energy and mineral resource companies since the 1980s after completing degrees in maths and physics, writing earth mapping and computation software, building and field deploying a variety of aquisition and processing instrumentation. AGW is clearly established fact, the physics is sound, measurements of decades backs up everything claimed in recent years, paloeclimatology is sound.