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In IM, there's a balance between total privacy and widespread use. Apps like Signal offer high privacy but have fewer users, while popular ones like WhatsApp ar

In IM, there's a balance between total privacy and widespread use. Apps like Signal offer high privacy but have fewer users, while popular ones like WhatsApp are less secure. Telegram lies somewhere in between, offering a level of privacy that most users find comfortable. It's widely used and there haven't been significant incidents of legal issues arising from its messages. Ultimately, it boils down to whom you trust and which app has more of your contacts.

greiskul 3y ago
> like WhatsApp are less secure WhatsApp uses end to end encryption by default. In fact, it uses the library that Signal developed. It is much more secure than Telegram, unless proved otherwise (which would need some backdoor in the application code to change its behavior).
- behnamoh 3y ago
  the fact that the iranian regime blocks telegram, messenger, instagram, signal, etc. but has no problem with whatsapp makes me worried that the app probably cooperates with the regime and complies with their data requests.
- furiousteabag 3y ago
  It doesn't really matter if the app claims to use E2E when it actually discloses message content [0] [1]. WhatsApp is also filled with backdoors [2]. [0] https://therecord.media/fbi-document-shows-what-data-can-be-obtained-from-encrypted-messaging-apps https://therecord.media/fbi-document-shows-what-data-can-be-... [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/whatsapp-imessage-facebook-apple-fbi-privacy-1261816/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/what... [2] https://telegra.ph/Why-Using-WhatsApp-Is-Dangerous-01-30-4 https://telegra.ph/Why-Using-WhatsApp-Is-Dangerous-01-30-4
  - rolisz 3y ago
    0 and 1 don't support your claim that WhatsApp discloses message content. those two links explicitly say WhatsApp doesn't give messages to the FBI.
    - throwaway29812 3y ago
      Also[2] claims backdoors, which is impossible to prove. They could just be bugs that were exploited (and fixed).

greiskul 3y ago

> like WhatsApp are less secure WhatsApp uses end to end encryption by default. In fact, it uses the library that Signal developed. It is much more secure than Telegram, unless proved otherwise (which would need some backdoor in the application code to change its behavior).

behnamoh 3y ago
the fact that the iranian regime blocks telegram, messenger, instagram, signal, etc. but has no problem with whatsapp makes me worried that the app probably cooperates with the regime and complies with their data requests.
furiousteabag 3y ago
It doesn't really matter if the app claims to use E2E when it actually discloses message content [0] [1]. WhatsApp is also filled with backdoors [2]. [0] https://therecord.media/fbi-document-shows-what-data-can-be-obtained-from-encrypted-messaging-apps https://therecord.media/fbi-document-shows-what-data-can-be-... [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/whatsapp-imessage-facebook-apple-fbi-privacy-1261816/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/what... [2] https://telegra.ph/Why-Using-WhatsApp-Is-Dangerous-01-30-4 https://telegra.ph/Why-Using-WhatsApp-Is-Dangerous-01-30-4
- rolisz 3y ago
  0 and 1 don't support your claim that WhatsApp discloses message content. those two links explicitly say WhatsApp doesn't give messages to the FBI.
  - throwaway29812 3y ago
    Also[2] claims backdoors, which is impossible to prove. They could just be bugs that were exploited (and fixed).