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These market forces really are great, they really made Microsoft to stop abusing dominant positions to get advantage in other segments, stop showing ads, etc. h

These market forces really are great, they really made Microsoft to stop abusing dominant positions to get advantage in other segments, stop showing ads, etc. hooray for deregulation and innovation

eastbound 3y ago
Market forces are great. Everyone for whom it was important spent the extra money and went to macOS. Don’t remember seeing Candy Crush in my start menu on macOS for one decade, and I distinctly remember the quality of browsing (no obnoxious popups, no Askbar, not having to download software like 7zip or Notepad++ from dodgy websites) was my argument back then. Maybe it’s not so important to you that you’d spend the extra money.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  Fuck the poor
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Ubuntu is free. (As in beer)
    - xattt 3y ago
      I can’t use Thunderbird with my university email, because the Owl plug-in developer cornered the market on an Outlook plug-in with a subscription model. Subscription software is my hill to die on.
      - jhutch 3y ago
        *won’t
        xattt 3y ago
        You’re right, in the same way that I won’t use a rent-to-own furniture company because it’s a bad deal for me.
      - selfhoster11 3y ago
        EWS works with Evolution pretty well. Other than that, there is OWA.
      - blkhawk 3y ago
        I sorta feel similar about BIG subscription software. Little subscription software (from small companies/developers) I see almost benign. If i needed this i would pay for it.
        ddingus 3y ago
        Same. Open Office, Linux and various other Open tools are becoming a big .
      - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
        Have you tried davmail?
- skullone 3y ago
  I'll criticize Apple when it's due, but I'm glad the OS isn't filled with absolute trash all over the place on a fresh install. I can't even bring myself to build a new PC for gaming, because whenever I turn on a Windows box I get disgusted by what it's become.
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    You guys seem to ignore that apple is an ads broker itself so no idea what are you on about https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/
    - russelg 3y ago
      I think they're probably talking about junkware like Candy Crush and Tiktok being pre-installed (or at least preexisting in the start menu)...
    - wiseowise 3y ago
      Owned iPhone for more than two years now. Haven’t seen a single ad pushed onto me via home, settings or browser.
      - walteweiss 3y ago
        Owned iPhone for 13 years and I have never seen any ad, except on the web. And even that is partially blocked with some Safari extension.
      - freeAgent 3y ago
        They definitely put ads for Apple products like iCloud in Settings. They’re just much more restrained and tasteful than MS. And that’s good.
      - InfamousRece 3y ago
        I just noticed “Apple Fitness+ Free for 3 months” in Settings. It’s definitely an ad but less annoying than candy crush.
- selfhoster11 3y ago
  I wasn't an Android user for 13 years because I couldn't afford an iPhone. I was an Android user for 13 years because I despised Apple's vision of mobile computing, specifically more paternalistic tendencies like "not allowed to side-load apps", "no filesystem access for you", "lol what are standards, let's use Lightning for everything". Don't pretend that Apple and quality of computing go hand in hand. They only do if you buy into their mindset wholesale, warts and all.
  - vGPU 3y ago
    And now just about every single android phone does the same thing. Even pixels are carrier locked. I have a 6A that I can’t root for 6 months.
    - bmicraft 3y ago
      I too have a 6A, and it's not carrier locked because I didn't get it from a carrier. Easy as that, really. Your carrier isn't Google's fault
      - vGPU 3y ago
        The point being that even the “Google version” is subject to carrier enshitification, which casts a bad light on android as a whole compared to Apple, who has never compromised on their “take it or leave it” stance with regards to their vision and product in discussions with carriers.
- donmcronald 3y ago
  Lol. We're all at the same clown show. You just paid more for your seats. The bloatware isn't even a blip on the radar for these companies. Everything is about gaining as much control as possible over everything. MS wants to make everything Office related web based so we have no control over our own documents and communication. Apple wants us to use iCloud for our photos and the app store for apps we need so we become dependent. Google dominates with Chromium because they don't want you to access the internet unless you're doing it the way they want. Apple, Google, and Microsoft would be split into 20 companies each if regulations were working properly.
- m463 3y ago
  But apple is just a different set of problems. They do things in their own interest just as much. When you get a iphone, their privacy policy is right there at the beginning, thousands of pages long. "Privacy is a right!" But they still snoop on every little thing you do in their own way. And they have no buttons. Definitely do not have a "Reject All" button. sigh.

These market forces really are great, they really made Microsoft to stop abusing dominant positions to get advantage in other segments, stop showing ads, etc. hooray for deregulation and innovation

eastbound 3y ago

Market forces are great. Everyone for whom it was important spent the extra money and went to macOS. Don’t remember seeing Candy Crush in my start menu on macOS for one decade, and I distinctly remember the quality of browsing (no obnoxious popups, no Askbar, not having to download software like 7zip or Notepad++ from dodgy websites) was my argument back then. Maybe it’s not so important to you that you’d spend the extra money.

lnxg33k1 3y ago
Fuck the poor
- wiseowise 3y ago
  Ubuntu is free. (As in beer)
  - xattt 3y ago
    I can’t use Thunderbird with my university email, because the Owl plug-in developer cornered the market on an Outlook plug-in with a subscription model. Subscription software is my hill to die on.
    - jhutch 3y ago
      *won’t
      - xattt 3y ago
        You’re right, in the same way that I won’t use a rent-to-own furniture company because it’s a bad deal for me.
    - selfhoster11 3y ago
      EWS works with Evolution pretty well. Other than that, there is OWA.
    - blkhawk 3y ago
      I sorta feel similar about BIG subscription software. Little subscription software (from small companies/developers) I see almost benign. If i needed this i would pay for it.
      - ddingus 3y ago
        Same. Open Office, Linux and various other Open tools are becoming a big .
    - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
      Have you tried davmail?
skullone 3y ago
I'll criticize Apple when it's due, but I'm glad the OS isn't filled with absolute trash all over the place on a fresh install. I can't even bring myself to build a new PC for gaming, because whenever I turn on a Windows box I get disgusted by what it's become.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  You guys seem to ignore that apple is an ads broker itself so no idea what are you on about https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/
  - russelg 3y ago
    I think they're probably talking about junkware like Candy Crush and Tiktok being pre-installed (or at least preexisting in the start menu)...
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Owned iPhone for more than two years now. Haven’t seen a single ad pushed onto me via home, settings or browser.
    - walteweiss 3y ago
      Owned iPhone for 13 years and I have never seen any ad, except on the web. And even that is partially blocked with some Safari extension.
    - freeAgent 3y ago
      They definitely put ads for Apple products like iCloud in Settings. They’re just much more restrained and tasteful than MS. And that’s good.
    - InfamousRece 3y ago
      I just noticed “Apple Fitness+ Free for 3 months” in Settings. It’s definitely an ad but less annoying than candy crush.
selfhoster11 3y ago
I wasn't an Android user for 13 years because I couldn't afford an iPhone. I was an Android user for 13 years because I despised Apple's vision of mobile computing, specifically more paternalistic tendencies like "not allowed to side-load apps", "no filesystem access for you", "lol what are standards, let's use Lightning for everything". Don't pretend that Apple and quality of computing go hand in hand. They only do if you buy into their mindset wholesale, warts and all.
- vGPU 3y ago
  And now just about every single android phone does the same thing. Even pixels are carrier locked. I have a 6A that I can’t root for 6 months.
  - bmicraft 3y ago
    I too have a 6A, and it's not carrier locked because I didn't get it from a carrier. Easy as that, really. Your carrier isn't Google's fault
    - vGPU 3y ago
      The point being that even the “Google version” is subject to carrier enshitification, which casts a bad light on android as a whole compared to Apple, who has never compromised on their “take it or leave it” stance with regards to their vision and product in discussions with carriers.
donmcronald 3y ago
Lol. We're all at the same clown show. You just paid more for your seats. The bloatware isn't even a blip on the radar for these companies. Everything is about gaining as much control as possible over everything. MS wants to make everything Office related web based so we have no control over our own documents and communication. Apple wants us to use iCloud for our photos and the app store for apps we need so we become dependent. Google dominates with Chromium because they don't want you to access the internet unless you're doing it the way they want. Apple, Google, and Microsoft would be split into 20 companies each if regulations were working properly.
m463 3y ago
But apple is just a different set of problems. They do things in their own interest just as much. When you get a iphone, their privacy policy is right there at the beginning, thousands of pages long. "Privacy is a right!" But they still snoop on every little thing you do in their own way. And they have no buttons. Definitely do not have a "Reject All" button. sigh.