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I am becoming quite frightened with the direction that, seemingly all western nations (USA, Canada, UK, Eurozone, Australia) are heading toward. All are implem

I am becoming quite frightened with the direction that, seemingly all western nations (USA, Canada, UK, Eurozone, Australia) are heading toward. All are implementing authoritarian fascist policies on their communications simultaneously in what I think is an effort to pre-empt or be able to crush any sort of "Western Spring" revolution. If this continues we are definitely heading directly into a Orwellian-style dystopian future, where a World Government is capable of spying and controlling every action of society.

mcantelon 14y ago
Yeah, the New World Order - that folks were once dismissed as crackpots for suggesting could be a threat - seems to be being implemented quite steadily. Terrorism is the perfect guise for building counter-insurgence and domestic surveillance infrastructure.
sespindola 14y ago
I disagree. I think we're heading to a "Huxleyan" distopia were any "Spring" or uprising can be preempted by promoting rampant consumerism and the infinite distractions of the internet. Food for thought: http://www.prosebeforehos.com/image-of-the-day/08/24/huxley-vs-orwell-infinite-distraction-or-government-oppression/ http://www.prosebeforehos.com/image-of-the-day/08/24/huxley-...
- wavephorm 14y ago
  But the actions of these governments recently says otherwise. They all clearly want to implement the Orwellian big brother system. All of them are working together to lock down every from of communication, and make complementary laws that target cybercriminals that might circumvent the system. These governments are demanding total power. If you encrypt the data on your data on your hard drive, or use a PGP-based email system you WILL be deemed a terrorist, and subject to all USA anti-terrorist laws. You don't even need to be a US citizen in this scenario, any member of this World Government will gladly hand you over to the Americans and send you to Guantanamo for not relieving your hard drive's PGP encryption key. This is absolutely NOT the Huxley scenario.
hellbanned23 14y ago
Lumping everyone together under a "nation" can be deceptive. One should make the distinction between the ruling elite that has the power vs the other 99% that are subject to the power. Nations and governments are too abstract terms. These laws usually come from the same group of people, not even the 1% but the 0.1%, those at the very top and whose position is unchallenged and has be unchallenged for decades or even centuries. Is it wonder that presidents comes from the same social circle all the time? How come George Bush was president and his father was president too? Is this a coincidence? If becoming president was a democratic process that what are the chances the someone becomes president and his son becomes president too? It's extremely small. This shows that it's not democratic at all, but rather the same group of people put each other into power and look out for the interest of each other. It's a ruling elite which is a very closed social circle that has been at the top of power for centuries. Much like the continuation of ruling dynasties of kingdoms since the middle ages. There is no real democracy here, that's only an appearance to keep the masses appeased.
hellbanned445 14y ago
Lumping everyone together under a "nation" can be deceptive. One should make the distinction between the ruling elite that has the power vs the other 99% that are subject to the power. Nations and governments are too abstract terms. These laws usually come from the same group of people, not even the 1% but the 0.1%, those at the very top and whose position is unchallenged and has be unchallenged for decades or even centuries. Is it wonder that presidents comes from the same social circle all the time? How come George Bush was president and his father was president too? Is this a coincidence? If becoming president was a democratic process that what are the chances the someone becomes president and his son becomes president too? It's extremely small. This shows that it's not democratic at all, but rather the same group of people put each other into power and look out for the interest of each other. It's a ruling elite which is a very closed social circle that has been at the top of power for centuries. Much like the continuation of ruling dynasties of kingdoms since the middle ages. There is no real democracy here, that's only an appearance to keep the masses appeased. p.s. Just like the admins of HackerNews should be accountable for hellbanning users without telling them. Anyone see similarity here?
- wavephorm 14y ago
  These laws usually come from the same group of people, not even the 1% but the 0.1% Granted, yes, the 0.1% are the ones pulling the strings. They ultimately are the ones demanding a totalitarian World Government, and they're going to get it unless citizens revolt, and overthrow their governments. But that is unlikely unless the economic situation deteriorates significantly over the next the few years. If the US dollar collapses, all bets are off the table. We could be looking at total world-wide civilization collapse in that case. As I see it, within 5 years, we will either see a wide-scale revolution, or the governments bring themselves down in absurd stupidity like we saw in 2008.

mcantelon 14y ago

Yeah, the New World Order - that folks were once dismissed as crackpots for suggesting could be a threat - seems to be being implemented quite steadily. Terrorism is the perfect guise for building counter-insurgence and domestic surveillance infrastructure.

sespindola 14y ago

I disagree. I think we're heading to a "Huxleyan" distopia were any "Spring" or uprising can be preempted by promoting rampant consumerism and the infinite distractions of the internet. Food for thought: http://www.prosebeforehos.com/image-of-the-day/08/24/huxley-vs-orwell-infinite-distraction-or-government-oppression/ http://www.prosebeforehos.com/image-of-the-day/08/24/huxley-...

wavephorm 14y ago
But the actions of these governments recently says otherwise. They all clearly want to implement the Orwellian big brother system. All of them are working together to lock down every from of communication, and make complementary laws that target cybercriminals that might circumvent the system. These governments are demanding total power. If you encrypt the data on your data on your hard drive, or use a PGP-based email system you WILL be deemed a terrorist, and subject to all USA anti-terrorist laws. You don't even need to be a US citizen in this scenario, any member of this World Government will gladly hand you over to the Americans and send you to Guantanamo for not relieving your hard drive's PGP encryption key. This is absolutely NOT the Huxley scenario.

hellbanned23 14y ago

Lumping everyone together under a "nation" can be deceptive. One should make the distinction between the ruling elite that has the power vs the other 99% that are subject to the power. Nations and governments are too abstract terms. These laws usually come from the same group of people, not even the 1% but the 0.1%, those at the very top and whose position is unchallenged and has be unchallenged for decades or even centuries. Is it wonder that presidents comes from the same social circle all the time? How come George Bush was president and his father was president too? Is this a coincidence? If becoming president was a democratic process that what are the chances the someone becomes president and his son becomes president too? It's extremely small. This shows that it's not democratic at all, but rather the same group of people put each other into power and look out for the interest of each other. It's a ruling elite which is a very closed social circle that has been at the top of power for centuries. Much like the continuation of ruling dynasties of kingdoms since the middle ages. There is no real democracy here, that's only an appearance to keep the masses appeased.

hellbanned445 14y ago

wavephorm 14y ago
These laws usually come from the same group of people, not even the 1% but the 0.1% Granted, yes, the 0.1% are the ones pulling the strings. They ultimately are the ones demanding a totalitarian World Government, and they're going to get it unless citizens revolt, and overthrow their governments. But that is unlikely unless the economic situation deteriorates significantly over the next the few years. If the US dollar collapses, all bets are off the table. We could be looking at total world-wide civilization collapse in that case. As I see it, within 5 years, we will either see a wide-scale revolution, or the governments bring themselves down in absurd stupidity like we saw in 2008.