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> Is... optimistic. RHES is looking at their (potential) paying customers, not Linux in general. And a lot of that are in a context where there are many furth

> Is... optimistic. RHES is looking at their (potential) paying customers, not Linux in general. And a lot of that are in a context where there are many further restrictions to what can be run and how thinks can be setup. For example software whitelists and/or multi device administration where you are not admin on you desktop system. This for example means that for them most windows managers which are not GNOME/KDE did never matter for them at all (and just to be clear most means most, there are some exceptions). And XWayland is also still around in RHEL10 which mean the only problem are applications which 1. for their customers matter, 2. do not work correctly with XWayland, 3. can not be ported to a newer version of their GUI framework which supports Wayland. Which let's be honest aren't that many to begin with and mainly was stuff like e.g. missing HDR support for certain VFX use cases and similar, whist has been fixed by now. So for RHEL this isn't "optimistic" but very realistic and based on facts derived from studies done with their customers, not some "busy people".

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
I really struggle to read "the de-facto windowing and display infrastructure solution" as "for our super narrow usecases" rather than a very general claim. Though yes, if that's the meaning then it's much easier to defend; if RH knows that none of their customers need an actual raw Xorg server without xwayland, then it's really easy for them to say that they can drop Xorg proper.
- dathinab 3y ago
  I personally would not call it super narrow or even narrow. Sure it's non end user, but non end user desktop Linux is not as narrow as it might seem. Through it's not well represented on HN I think. Most important both GNOME and KDE have embraced Wayland as the de-facto standard with their latest/upcoming versions and when it comes to commercial Linux desktop usage outside of some special cases only GNOME and KDE matter (and all the special cases I currently can come up with also use Wayland, but that might be due to my limited knowledge about special cases). Other DE are nice and fun but in relevant amounts I'm only seeing them on privately managed (but not necessary privately owned and used) desktops.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

I really struggle to read "the de-facto windowing and display infrastructure solution" as "for our super narrow usecases" rather than a very general claim. Though yes, if that's the meaning then it's much easier to defend; if RH knows that none of their customers need an actual raw Xorg server without xwayland, then it's really easy for them to say that they can drop Xorg proper.

dathinab 3y ago
I personally would not call it super narrow or even narrow. Sure it's non end user, but non end user desktop Linux is not as narrow as it might seem. Through it's not well represented on HN I think. Most important both GNOME and KDE have embraced Wayland as the de-facto standard with their latest/upcoming versions and when it comes to commercial Linux desktop usage outside of some special cases only GNOME and KDE matter (and all the special cases I currently can come up with also use Wayland, but that might be due to my limited knowledge about special cases). Other DE are nice and fun but in relevant amounts I'm only seeing them on privately managed (but not necessary privately owned and used) desktops.