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I used to use Evolution until MAPI was removed, then Thunderbird+Exquilla for a bit, but now Thunderbird+IMAP is the sensible way to go. I make all my email rul

I used to use Evolution until MAPI was removed, then Thunderbird+Exquilla for a bit, but now Thunderbird+IMAP is the sensible way to go. I make all my email rules server-side using OWA, and Thunderbird has had most of the OAUTH2 growing pains sorted out for a while now. We use Teams, which handles all the calendar stuff I used to need my mail client to do for me. The only risk seems to be Microsoft silently changing something and Thunderbird being left to figure out what to fix. I no longer need to access proprietary Public Folders, as that functionality has been swallowed up by Sharepoint Online. I've used Linux at work for the past decade, in spite of it being a Microsoft shop -- some days I would wrestle with HyperV or whatever ricketysticks thing Microsoft bolted on top of HyperV, some other rare days I'd get to play in the terminal all day. I could tolerate using Windows if I was forced to. But I absolutely love using Linux. Who even needs Outlook specifically these days?

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cglong 3y ago
As someone considering switching to Linux for work, why not use OWA always? It's a full PWA, so you can access your data offline, and it's flowing through Exchange anyway.
- jmmv 3y ago
  One reason is because OWA is really slow on not-great hardware...
- vanous 3y ago
  One reason is good extension support, for example for fast keyboard navigation and mail moving in TB... https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/nostalgy_ng/ https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/nosta...
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago
  OWA is fine for quick emails, usually, but I like old fashioned stuff like being able to view my message headers. Also, I use Firefox instead of Chrome so I don't get the PWA benefits. It's gonna suck when Microsoft finally kills connectivity or login support for the Teams for Linux Electron app lol
  - cglong 3y ago
    I know that was just one example, but I think you can view message headers in OWA by clicking the ellipsis on a message, then "View" > "View message details". Also, my mom preferred Safari but kept Chrome around for installing and opening PWAs. I understand if there's a philosophical reason this won't work for you though :)
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  I prefer all my email in emacs because it is a familiar extensible environment subject only to my changes and decisions. "I have power here" versus "you have no power here".
  - I_Am_Nous 3y ago
    Someday I should really look into emacs since it can be literally anything my workstation needs it to be lol vi VS emacs seems like comparing Notepad++ to BSD. They may have similar functions built in but can do very different jobs.
    - paledot 3y ago
      "A nice operating system with a mediocre text editor built in."
JeremyNT 3y ago
FWIW, Evolution works quite well with O365 when using the EWS provider these days. You might want to give that another look if you aren't wedded to Thunderbird.
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago
  Evolution was always rock solid for me, but these days so is Thunderbird. I'll have to give it a go sometime, thanks for the suggestion :)
basemi 3y ago
Thunderbird add-on `owl-for-exchange` is another way to go for a little price (10€/y).
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago
  Exquilla is another paid add-on that does a similar job, and I believe the price is pretty comparable - in case Owl ever has issues :)
93po 3y ago
> I could tolerate using Windows if I was forced to. I couldn't. I reinstalled windows on a laptop I was giving away a few months ago and it literally took me 25 minutes to figure out how to install Chrome. Windows refused to download it in Edge, stating it was a security concern, and it was endless googling to find out how to disable this setting, and none of the instructions seemed to work. Several restarts later and toggling a million things, it finally worked, but i'm not even sure specifically what it was. If I can't install the absolute bare minimum software without issues like this, I cannot tolerate it.
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago
  Windows makes you click "Keep" AND "Download Anyway" then when you try to run your downloaded executable it says no, but there's a "hidden" menu that lets you say run anyway. It's super annoying lol
- vGPU 3y ago
  Since windows 7 there has only been one usable version of windows: Enterprise/LTSC. After finally being forced to upgrade to windows 10 because I was starting to have too many issues with outdated drivers, it’s serviceable with a few scripts that disable the telemetry and other annoyances in group policy.
- fuckingkike 3y ago
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cglong 3y ago

As someone considering switching to Linux for work, why not use OWA always? It's a full PWA, so you can access your data offline, and it's flowing through Exchange anyway.

jmmv 3y ago
One reason is because OWA is really slow on not-great hardware...
vanous 3y ago
One reason is good extension support, for example for fast keyboard navigation and mail moving in TB... https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/nostalgy_ng/ https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/nosta...
I_Am_Nous 3y ago
OWA is fine for quick emails, usually, but I like old fashioned stuff like being able to view my message headers. Also, I use Firefox instead of Chrome so I don't get the PWA benefits. It's gonna suck when Microsoft finally kills connectivity or login support for the Teams for Linux Electron app lol
- cglong 3y ago
  I know that was just one example, but I think you can view message headers in OWA by clicking the ellipsis on a message, then "View" > "View message details". Also, my mom preferred Safari but kept Chrome around for installing and opening PWAs. I understand if there's a philosophical reason this won't work for you though :)
ParetoOptimal 3y ago
I prefer all my email in emacs because it is a familiar extensible environment subject only to my changes and decisions. "I have power here" versus "you have no power here".
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago
  Someday I should really look into emacs since it can be literally anything my workstation needs it to be lol vi VS emacs seems like comparing Notepad++ to BSD. They may have similar functions built in but can do very different jobs.
  - paledot 3y ago
    "A nice operating system with a mediocre text editor built in."

JeremyNT 3y ago

FWIW, Evolution works quite well with O365 when using the EWS provider these days. You might want to give that another look if you aren't wedded to Thunderbird.

I_Am_Nous 3y ago
Evolution was always rock solid for me, but these days so is Thunderbird. I'll have to give it a go sometime, thanks for the suggestion :)

basemi 3y ago

Thunderbird add-on `owl-for-exchange` is another way to go for a little price (10€/y).

I_Am_Nous 3y ago
Exquilla is another paid add-on that does a similar job, and I believe the price is pretty comparable - in case Owl ever has issues :)

93po 3y ago

> I could tolerate using Windows if I was forced to. I couldn't. I reinstalled windows on a laptop I was giving away a few months ago and it literally took me 25 minutes to figure out how to install Chrome. Windows refused to download it in Edge, stating it was a security concern, and it was endless googling to find out how to disable this setting, and none of the instructions seemed to work. Several restarts later and toggling a million things, it finally worked, but i'm not even sure specifically what it was. If I can't install the absolute bare minimum software without issues like this, I cannot tolerate it.

I_Am_Nous 3y ago
Windows makes you click "Keep" AND "Download Anyway" then when you try to run your downloaded executable it says no, but there's a "hidden" menu that lets you say run anyway. It's super annoying lol
vGPU 3y ago
Since windows 7 there has only been one usable version of windows: Enterprise/LTSC. After finally being forced to upgrade to windows 10 because I was starting to have too many issues with outdated drivers, it’s serviceable with a few scripts that disable the telemetry and other annoyances in group policy.
fuckingkike 3y ago
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