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Not terribly surprising given that Gaza is legally part of Israel. AFAIK the only place where Starlink is operating illegally is Iran (where presumably Elon ha

by wmf 3y ago

Not terribly surprising given that Gaza is legally part of Israel. AFAIK the only place where Starlink is operating illegally is Iran (where presumably Elon has no business interests that can be threatened).

__blockcipher__ 3y ago
You mean legally part of Israel from Israel’s perspective, right? AFAIK neither the west bank nor the gaza strip are recognized as legitimate territories of Israel under international law but I admittedly know very little about international law :)
- anonuser123456 3y ago
  In international relations, possession by a nuclear power is 10/10ths of the law.
- vidarh 3y ago
  Israel explicitly rejects Gaza is part of Israel. Some Israeli politicians might claim otherwise, but the government policy has been to refuse claims it is since '67, and to now insist it's not even under occupation.
wodenokoto 3y ago
The Oslo accord gives Israel right to control the airspace, but also gives the pale stone the right to operate an airport. So the accord does not give Israel sovereignty over the land. Israel denies that they are occupying the strip, so it’s hard to say that even Israel is claiming it as legally theirs.
- wodenokoto 3y ago
  Okay, so why doesn't it?
  - vidarh 3y ago
    Why doesn't who what?
vidarh 3y ago
Not even Israel claims it is legally part of Israel. Not the government. Not the courts. The Israeli government has, until the "disengagement", insisted in court regularly that Gaza was under belligerent occupation. This was an important stance for them as claiming it as Israeli territory would give petitioners reasons to ask courts to apply Israeli civilian law. Israeli courts have accepted this stance many times over the years. By claiming this, any annexation would be a war crime (but to be clear, Israel has never claimed to annex Gaza, on the contrary, Israel has claimed it has ended the occupation and given up control - a claim that is not uncontroversial given the level of control it still exerts) [EDIT: And, unironically expect this deal and Karhi's statements to feature in future lawsuits as evidence that Gaza is still under belligerent occupation; this will matter greatly, especially now, as an occupying power has humanitarian legal responsibilities that can be challenged in Israeli courts if Israeli courts were to agree there is evidence Israel is still an occupying power] So under which authority is Gaza legally part of Israel?
TheCapeGreek 3y ago
>AFAIK the only place where Starlink is operating illegally is Iran And any country where they don't have approval by the local spectrum operator. Unsure if it's changed, but I know in South Africa Starlink connections are/were _technically_ illegal since it is an unlicensed telecoms connection. Basically unenforceable by practical means to stop consumers though, and some hardware importers advertise without issue.

by wmf 3y ago

__blockcipher__ 3y ago

You mean legally part of Israel from Israel’s perspective, right? AFAIK neither the west bank nor the gaza strip are recognized as legitimate territories of Israel under international law but I admittedly know very little about international law :)

anonuser123456 3y ago
In international relations, possession by a nuclear power is 10/10ths of the law.
vidarh 3y ago
Israel explicitly rejects Gaza is part of Israel. Some Israeli politicians might claim otherwise, but the government policy has been to refuse claims it is since '67, and to now insist it's not even under occupation.

wodenokoto 3y ago

The Oslo accord gives Israel right to control the airspace, but also gives the pale stone the right to operate an airport. So the accord does not give Israel sovereignty over the land. Israel denies that they are occupying the strip, so it’s hard to say that even Israel is claiming it as legally theirs.

wodenokoto 3y ago
Okay, so why doesn't it?
- vidarh 3y ago
  Why doesn't who what?

vidarh 3y ago

Not even Israel claims it is legally part of Israel. Not the government. Not the courts. The Israeli government has, until the "disengagement", insisted in court regularly that Gaza was under belligerent occupation. This was an important stance for them as claiming it as Israeli territory would give petitioners reasons to ask courts to apply Israeli civilian law. Israeli courts have accepted this stance many times over the years. By claiming this, any annexation would be a war crime (but to be clear, Israel has never claimed to annex Gaza, on the contrary, Israel has claimed it has ended the occupation and given up control - a claim that is not uncontroversial given the level of control it still exerts) [EDIT: And, unironically expect this deal and Karhi's statements to feature in future lawsuits as evidence that Gaza is still under belligerent occupation; this will matter greatly, especially now, as an occupying power has humanitarian legal responsibilities that can be challenged in Israeli courts if Israeli courts were to agree there is evidence Israel is still an occupying power] So under which authority is Gaza legally part of Israel?

TheCapeGreek 3y ago

>AFAIK the only place where Starlink is operating illegally is Iran And any country where they don't have approval by the local spectrum operator. Unsure if it's changed, but I know in South Africa Starlink connections are/were _technically_ illegal since it is an unlicensed telecoms connection. Basically unenforceable by practical means to stop consumers though, and some hardware importers advertise without issue.