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Is this normalised? It seems quite misleading to use the "electric cars" to describe actual electric cars (Electric Vehicles) and ICE cars that happen to have a

by mrd3v0 3y ago

Is this normalised? It seems quite misleading to use the "electric cars" to describe actual electric cars (Electric Vehicles) and ICE cars that happen to have an electricity-powered system in them...

geodel 3y ago
I mean new standard is any car "power" steering is electric car. Just like I learned nowadays Javascript desktop apps are also called native apps. So anything can be anything.
jtriangle 3y ago
It depends on who's presenting the numbers. Over the last year or so, EV's and HEV's have been increasingly grouped together into "PEV's". Basically, it's an easy way to add another 30% to a number on a chart. The intent behind doing so could vary from simple negligence, to outright misinformation, and like many things, the truth likely resides somewhere in-between. Personally, hybrid electric vehicles seem to be the most viable current option for almost everyone, and it gives us some time to get the power grids upgraded enough to move to all electric later. That in my eyes is an ideal situation, as it gives battery tech, and generation tech, time to mature further. Sure 300-some miles in a nice Tesla is an achievement, but, 1000 miles, half the weight, twice the generation efficiency, and half the charge time is better overall, and from what I'm seeing, all of the above is doable within 10 years or so.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  > half the weight, twice the generation efficiency, and half the charge time is better overall The Prius Prime is approximately the same weight as the Model 3, more expensive than the Model 3 after the rebate, and only gets 2.9 miles/kWh vs 4.1 miles/kWh for the Model 3. So it takes at least 33% longer to charge for the same distance of travel while slow charging and of course doesn't support fast charging.
  - jtriangle 3y ago
    You missed the part where I was talking about that being in the future, as the tech matures.
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      The future will be even worse for hybrids, as the price of batteries goes down and the relative complexity of having over ten times as many moving parts becomes more significant.

by mrd3v0 3y ago

Is this normalised? It seems quite misleading to use the "electric cars" to describe actual electric cars (Electric Vehicles) and ICE cars that happen to have an electricity-powered system in them...

geodel 3y ago

I mean new standard is any car "power" steering is electric car. Just like I learned nowadays Javascript desktop apps are also called native apps. So anything can be anything.

jtriangle 3y ago

It depends on who's presenting the numbers. Over the last year or so, EV's and HEV's have been increasingly grouped together into "PEV's". Basically, it's an easy way to add another 30% to a number on a chart. The intent behind doing so could vary from simple negligence, to outright misinformation, and like many things, the truth likely resides somewhere in-between. Personally, hybrid electric vehicles seem to be the most viable current option for almost everyone, and it gives us some time to get the power grids upgraded enough to move to all electric later. That in my eyes is an ideal situation, as it gives battery tech, and generation tech, time to mature further. Sure 300-some miles in a nice Tesla is an achievement, but, 1000 miles, half the weight, twice the generation efficiency, and half the charge time is better overall, and from what I'm seeing, all of the above is doable within 10 years or so.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
> half the weight, twice the generation efficiency, and half the charge time is better overall The Prius Prime is approximately the same weight as the Model 3, more expensive than the Model 3 after the rebate, and only gets 2.9 miles/kWh vs 4.1 miles/kWh for the Model 3. So it takes at least 33% longer to charge for the same distance of travel while slow charging and of course doesn't support fast charging.
- jtriangle 3y ago
  You missed the part where I was talking about that being in the future, as the tech matures.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    The future will be even worse for hybrids, as the price of batteries goes down and the relative complexity of having over ten times as many moving parts becomes more significant.