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300k electric* cars sold in one month *number includes hybrids Hello apples, meet oranges, your new point of comparison.

honeybadger1 3y ago
I liked this.
ncallaway 3y ago
I mean, kind of? I went searching for a new car two years ago, and wanted something that could do my daily driving on electric. I found the RAV4 Prime, which is a plug-in hybrid which will do 40 miles on the battery without touching gas. All of my daily driving is now electric, but it is a plug-in hybrid and I do use the gas engine on road trips. So, yes, it's not a pure comparison of electric cars to electric cars, but when people are buying a new car, they're in the market for a _car that meets their requirements_, not _electric cars only_.
- jtriangle 3y ago
  Correct, it's not a pure comparison, which is precisely what I'm pointing out. They didn't sell 300k electric cars, they sold 300k cars, some of which were electric, some of which were hybrid drivetrains, and then compared that to actual electric car numbers, which so far is tesla and everyone else. An uncareful reader would take that to mean BYD is catching up to Tesla in the electric car market, which would be remarkable, but ultimately that isn't a true statement. That isn't to say BYD isn't remarkable on their own, they outsold VW group's EV's 2:1 in Q2, which are the most up-to-date numbers available. That's still fewer than Tesla, and a smaller gain Q1-Q2 than Tesla, but for a manufacturer completely locked out of the US market, it's really impressive. I would assume that they'd quickly overtake Tesla if the US lifted their de facto embargo on non-domestic cars, given that their unit costs are substantially lower.
  - giobox 3y ago
    BYD have conflated their hybrid and pure EV sales for several years now to try and make their EV sales volume look more impressive. It's disappointing they still do it. Here's the same misleading press release from Jan 2022: https://en.byd.com/news/byd-starts-strong-in-2022-with-sales-of-92926-new-energy-vehicles/ https://en.byd.com/news/byd-starts-strong-in-2022-with-sales... "New Energy Vehicles". Every time they do it, large sections of the media report them as a "Tesla challenger". I do agree though that they are making increasingly good EVs.
    - jtriangle 3y ago
      I don't see that as them being intentionally misleading inasmuch as they're trying to promote their NEV trademark. It's more a fault of the media failing to report this accurately, especially being that in their press release linked above, they have broken out how many hybrids and how many EV's they've sold.
mrd3v0 3y ago
Is this normalised? It seems quite misleading to use the "electric cars" to describe actual electric cars (Electric Vehicles) and ICE cars that happen to have an electricity-powered system in them...
- geodel 3y ago
  I mean new standard is any car "power" steering is electric car. Just like I learned nowadays Javascript desktop apps are also called native apps. So anything can be anything.
- jtriangle 3y ago
  It depends on who's presenting the numbers. Over the last year or so, EV's and HEV's have been increasingly grouped together into "PEV's". Basically, it's an easy way to add another 30% to a number on a chart. The intent behind doing so could vary from simple negligence, to outright misinformation, and like many things, the truth likely resides somewhere in-between. Personally, hybrid electric vehicles seem to be the most viable current option for almost everyone, and it gives us some time to get the power grids upgraded enough to move to all electric later. That in my eyes is an ideal situation, as it gives battery tech, and generation tech, time to mature further. Sure 300-some miles in a nice Tesla is an achievement, but, 1000 miles, half the weight, twice the generation efficiency, and half the charge time is better overall, and from what I'm seeing, all of the above is doable within 10 years or so.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    > half the weight, twice the generation efficiency, and half the charge time is better overall The Prius Prime is approximately the same weight as the Model 3, more expensive than the Model 3 after the rebate, and only gets 2.9 miles/kWh vs 4.1 miles/kWh for the Model 3. So it takes at least 33% longer to charge for the same distance of travel while slow charging and of course doesn't support fast charging.
    - jtriangle 3y ago
      You missed the part where I was talking about that being in the future, as the tech matures.
jamesTee49 3y ago
Tesla is on course to be like Solyndra. You have to live in Eastern Asia and see how incredible China is on EVs. Just on their battery front for mobile phones really make EVERY western mobile phone battery look primitive (Samsung and Apple are nowhere what China Xiaomi and Oppo alike do with their phone battery). Samsung battery even go exploding or pregnant if not charging. China battery industry already stop subsidizing because of the oncredible competitiveness there. Meanwhile we all just started critisizing cybertruck releases. Tesla has 2 front for growth: as automobile manufacturer and as battery energy factory. Both front are severely hampered by China established developments. I am not surprise, Tesla will do cyberbus next or cybertrain next. Meanwhile Chinese has been riding their cyberbus and cybertrain for a decade. And in case you're wondering, China bullet train industry now out compete Japan and Germany. Just look at Indonesia newest bullet train by Chinese. It just make Japanase and Germans look medieval tech. Of course, USA look even worse with near cavemen tech in that area.

honeybadger1 3y ago

I liked this.

ncallaway 3y ago

I mean, kind of? I went searching for a new car two years ago, and wanted something that could do my daily driving on electric. I found the RAV4 Prime, which is a plug-in hybrid which will do 40 miles on the battery without touching gas. All of my daily driving is now electric, but it is a plug-in hybrid and I do use the gas engine on road trips. So, yes, it's not a pure comparison of electric cars to electric cars, but when people are buying a new car, they're in the market for a _car that meets their requirements_, not _electric cars only_.

jtriangle 3y ago
Correct, it's not a pure comparison, which is precisely what I'm pointing out. They didn't sell 300k electric cars, they sold 300k cars, some of which were electric, some of which were hybrid drivetrains, and then compared that to actual electric car numbers, which so far is tesla and everyone else. An uncareful reader would take that to mean BYD is catching up to Tesla in the electric car market, which would be remarkable, but ultimately that isn't a true statement. That isn't to say BYD isn't remarkable on their own, they outsold VW group's EV's 2:1 in Q2, which are the most up-to-date numbers available. That's still fewer than Tesla, and a smaller gain Q1-Q2 than Tesla, but for a manufacturer completely locked out of the US market, it's really impressive. I would assume that they'd quickly overtake Tesla if the US lifted their de facto embargo on non-domestic cars, given that their unit costs are substantially lower.
- giobox 3y ago
  BYD have conflated their hybrid and pure EV sales for several years now to try and make their EV sales volume look more impressive. It's disappointing they still do it. Here's the same misleading press release from Jan 2022: https://en.byd.com/news/byd-starts-strong-in-2022-with-sales-of-92926-new-energy-vehicles/ https://en.byd.com/news/byd-starts-strong-in-2022-with-sales... "New Energy Vehicles". Every time they do it, large sections of the media report them as a "Tesla challenger". I do agree though that they are making increasingly good EVs.
  - jtriangle 3y ago
    I don't see that as them being intentionally misleading inasmuch as they're trying to promote their NEV trademark. It's more a fault of the media failing to report this accurately, especially being that in their press release linked above, they have broken out how many hybrids and how many EV's they've sold.

mrd3v0 3y ago

Is this normalised? It seems quite misleading to use the "electric cars" to describe actual electric cars (Electric Vehicles) and ICE cars that happen to have an electricity-powered system in them...

geodel 3y ago
I mean new standard is any car "power" steering is electric car. Just like I learned nowadays Javascript desktop apps are also called native apps. So anything can be anything.
jtriangle 3y ago
It depends on who's presenting the numbers. Over the last year or so, EV's and HEV's have been increasingly grouped together into "PEV's". Basically, it's an easy way to add another 30% to a number on a chart. The intent behind doing so could vary from simple negligence, to outright misinformation, and like many things, the truth likely resides somewhere in-between. Personally, hybrid electric vehicles seem to be the most viable current option for almost everyone, and it gives us some time to get the power grids upgraded enough to move to all electric later. That in my eyes is an ideal situation, as it gives battery tech, and generation tech, time to mature further. Sure 300-some miles in a nice Tesla is an achievement, but, 1000 miles, half the weight, twice the generation efficiency, and half the charge time is better overall, and from what I'm seeing, all of the above is doable within 10 years or so.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  > half the weight, twice the generation efficiency, and half the charge time is better overall The Prius Prime is approximately the same weight as the Model 3, more expensive than the Model 3 after the rebate, and only gets 2.9 miles/kWh vs 4.1 miles/kWh for the Model 3. So it takes at least 33% longer to charge for the same distance of travel while slow charging and of course doesn't support fast charging.
  - jtriangle 3y ago
    You missed the part where I was talking about that being in the future, as the tech matures.

jamesTee49 3y ago

Tesla is on course to be like Solyndra. You have to live in Eastern Asia and see how incredible China is on EVs. Just on their battery front for mobile phones really make EVERY western mobile phone battery look primitive (Samsung and Apple are nowhere what China Xiaomi and Oppo alike do with their phone battery). Samsung battery even go exploding or pregnant if not charging. China battery industry already stop subsidizing because of the oncredible competitiveness there. Meanwhile we all just started critisizing cybertruck releases. Tesla has 2 front for growth: as automobile manufacturer and as battery energy factory. Both front are severely hampered by China established developments. I am not surprise, Tesla will do cyberbus next or cybertrain next. Meanwhile Chinese has been riding their cyberbus and cybertrain for a decade. And in case you're wondering, China bullet train industry now out compete Japan and Germany. Just look at Indonesia newest bullet train by Chinese. It just make Japanase and Germans look medieval tech. Of course, USA look even worse with near cavemen tech in that area.