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Wasmer is a VC company building a platform that depends on the existence of these platform APIs – sockets, threads, forking, etc. They have a vested interest in
by n42 3y ago
Wasmer is a VC company building a platform that depends on the existence of these platform APIs – sockets, threads, forking, etc. They have a vested interest in the existence of these APIs, and the health of the developer ecosystem, to stay alive. From here, it kind of seems like the fundamental foundation of everything Wasmer is building.
Meanwhile, Bytecode Alliance is a registered non-profit with many large corporate backers. They are building out the WASI standard with careful due diligence to learn from and avoid the mistakes we have found in POSIX. BCA has their own financial incentives, and they are aligned differently than yours.
BCA ultimately is moving slower than works for Wasmer. So I guess you were faced with three options: A) wait for BCA, and do nothing B) work with BCA and push it forward C) fork it and do it yourself.
So you chose to fork it and reimplement POSIX with all its warts. I assume because this applies pressure to the community (candidly, a good thing) while letting you make progress immediately.
Where I, and I assume others, have issue with all of this is:
You have chosen a name that has created confusion in an already confusing space.
You have whitewashed it by promoting it as a new open standard, but the controlling entity realllyy is just Wasmer[0].
You have demonstrated through your actions a complete lack of willingness to work with people in the community, preferring to strong-arm with veiled threats[1] or perverting incentives financially[2].
The issue isn't with WASIX, but with you and your actions. I have no confidence in your ability to lead this community forward in a way that has my (our) interests ahead of your company's.
[0]: https://github.com/wasix-org/wasix-governance-meeting-notes/blob/5135516d091d1bc3810677ea2cc755a67e10c669/meeting-notes-27-07-2023.md#meeting-attendees
[1]: https://github.com/bytecodealliance/wit-bindgen/issues/306
[2]: https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/17115
- syrusakbary 3y ago> The issue isn't with WASIX, but with you and your actions. Is refreshing to see at least some honesty. Haters gonna hate, so I personally don't mind. Have a great day!
- n42 3y agoThis is kind of my point. It would be refreshing to see the CEO that would like our industry to build on top of his platform to show some humility. Do you care to admit to making any mistakes in your interactions, or is it all because we are just a bunch of haters?
- syrusakbary 3y agoI'm not even going to enter into the flame-bait. I obviously disagree with your points. Hope you have an awesome day
- jeffparsons 3y ago> Haters gonna hate If you dismiss all criticism of your behaviour in this way, you'll never gain any insight into why so many people find your behaviour so objectionable. It's not because "haters gonna hate". It's not because you're operating in a competitive and highly visible space, and so of course you're going to receive some "hate", or whatever other dismissive narrative you might have cooked up. Look around you: people in similar positions just don't generate the reaction that you do. When Wasmer eventually folds, it will be your fault, because you refused to reflect on how your antisocial behaviour destroyed all trust in the brand. I don't know how to stop that from happening. Maybe a good therapist could help? Heck, your board would probably even be happy to pay for it, given the potential upside for Wasmer.
- syrusakbary 3y agoWithout entering in any detail on what you mentioned (other than sincerely thank you for the belief in the potential upside for Wasmer!), I think we may have very different definition of what a hater is. A hater, for me, is someone that lacks of constructive criticism.