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i'll never understand the point of information like this aside from the desire to paint someone in a bad light because of some narrative. i even made sure to g

by volkk 3y ago

i'll never understand the point of information like this aside from the desire to paint someone in a bad light because of some narrative. i even made sure to go to the science section of theguardian and searched for spacex, because i thought, maybe there are different sections that focus on more optimistic takes of what Elon is doing, but of course all of the headlines are extremely negative "Rows and rockets blow up as Elon Musk’s firms endure turbulent weekend" "SpaceX’s Starship reaches space for first time but explodes moments later" "SpaceX delays second test flight of world’s largest rocket until weekend" this stuff is so cringe and so obviously biased/tainted

fortyseven 3y ago
I'm sure Mr. Musk will notice your loyalty and reward you for it.
- southernplaces7 3y ago
  You can freely be disgusted by Musk himself in all sorts of fully justified ways, and still recognize these kinds of "news" pieces as the tabloid-like, simplistic, sensationalist garbage they are.
- volkk 3y ago
  Great lemming response. I am apathetic towards Elon, fyi. This kind of sentiment is exactly why this biased low value journalism continues to exist
thegrim33 3y ago
Yes, the desire to paint them in a bad light is the entire point of the article. It's political/social narrative manipulation, not journalism.
dzhiurgis 3y ago
The somewhat object outlet I follow was recently painted as government-funded media so I kinda understand the resentment. Private outlets are far worse tho.
seadan83 3y ago
Those last two headlines seem quite factual. The second headline, AFAIK the Starship was not expected to explode at all, thus the accolade of "reaches space", "but explodes moments later" seems to be pretty accurate & fair. That is what happened.
- maximus-decimus 3y ago
  English isn't my first language but "but explodes seconds later" implies to me the fact it reached space doesn't actually matter and the whole thing is a failure. "I had a beautiful wedding. The walls were yellow", isn't quite the same and "I had a beautiful wedding, but the walls were yellow." In the same way, it would be more neutral (at least to my French speaking ears) to say "It reached space and exploded seconds later."
  - volkk 3y ago
    you're 100% correct. it's written in a manipulative way
    - seadan83 3y ago
      The goal of spaceX was to spend 90 minutes in space and then return to Earth. The 'but' in the sentence to say: "some of that goal was achieved, but not all of it", is not manipulative. I recommend reading that exact article to see that it's not overly negative nor overly positive. Relative to the goals of SpaceX, what else was the headline supposed to say? > SpaceX’s uncrewed Starship spacecraft, developed to carry astronauts to the moon and beyond, reached space for the first time on Saturday but was presumed to have failed minutes later. > It was Starship’s second test after its first attempt to reach space ended in an explosion earlier this year. > The two-stage rocket ship blasted off from the Elon Musk-owned company’s Starbase launch site near Boca Chica in Texas, east of Brownsville, on a planned 90-minute uncrewed flight into space. > If successful, the rocket would have ended up landing in the Pacific ocean near Hawaii. The company hopes the rocket can eventually manage a trip around the Earth, which could take an hour and a half. > The two stages of the spacecraft successfully separated about two and a half minutes into the flight, but shortly afterwards, SpaceX announced that it could not find a signal from the second stage, which it declared lost. > The company believes the rocket’s self-destruction mechanism was set off after it lost the signal. > SpaceX’s second flight is an improvement on its first test launch in April, when both stages ultimately exploded four minutes into its flight. The spacecraft’s first stage, nicknamed “Super Heavy” for its 33 engines, had failed, causing both stages to explode. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/nov/18/elon-musk-spacex-loses-contact-with-starship-rocket-after-second-launch-attempt https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/nov/18/elon-musk-sp...
Zigurd 3y ago
What's cringe is starting a tunnel company where a couple hundred people work in apparent seriousness, who think they are building their careers, when the whole thing is built to divert public support from providing more public transit.

by volkk 3y ago

fortyseven 3y ago

I'm sure Mr. Musk will notice your loyalty and reward you for it.

southernplaces7 3y ago
You can freely be disgusted by Musk himself in all sorts of fully justified ways, and still recognize these kinds of "news" pieces as the tabloid-like, simplistic, sensationalist garbage they are.
volkk 3y ago
Great lemming response. I am apathetic towards Elon, fyi. This kind of sentiment is exactly why this biased low value journalism continues to exist

thegrim33 3y ago

Yes, the desire to paint them in a bad light is the entire point of the article. It's political/social narrative manipulation, not journalism.

dzhiurgis 3y ago

The somewhat object outlet I follow was recently painted as government-funded media so I kinda understand the resentment. Private outlets are far worse tho.

seadan83 3y ago

Those last two headlines seem quite factual. The second headline, AFAIK the Starship was not expected to explode at all, thus the accolade of "reaches space", "but explodes moments later" seems to be pretty accurate & fair. That is what happened.

maximus-decimus 3y ago
English isn't my first language but "but explodes seconds later" implies to me the fact it reached space doesn't actually matter and the whole thing is a failure. "I had a beautiful wedding. The walls were yellow", isn't quite the same and "I had a beautiful wedding, but the walls were yellow." In the same way, it would be more neutral (at least to my French speaking ears) to say "It reached space and exploded seconds later."
- volkk 3y ago
  you're 100% correct. it's written in a manipulative way
  - seadan83 3y ago
    The goal of spaceX was to spend 90 minutes in space and then return to Earth. The 'but' in the sentence to say: "some of that goal was achieved, but not all of it", is not manipulative. I recommend reading that exact article to see that it's not overly negative nor overly positive. Relative to the goals of SpaceX, what else was the headline supposed to say? > SpaceX’s uncrewed Starship spacecraft, developed to carry astronauts to the moon and beyond, reached space for the first time on Saturday but was presumed to have failed minutes later. > It was Starship’s second test after its first attempt to reach space ended in an explosion earlier this year. > The two-stage rocket ship blasted off from the Elon Musk-owned company’s Starbase launch site near Boca Chica in Texas, east of Brownsville, on a planned 90-minute uncrewed flight into space. > If successful, the rocket would have ended up landing in the Pacific ocean near Hawaii. The company hopes the rocket can eventually manage a trip around the Earth, which could take an hour and a half. > The two stages of the spacecraft successfully separated about two and a half minutes into the flight, but shortly afterwards, SpaceX announced that it could not find a signal from the second stage, which it declared lost. > The company believes the rocket’s self-destruction mechanism was set off after it lost the signal. > SpaceX’s second flight is an improvement on its first test launch in April, when both stages ultimately exploded four minutes into its flight. The spacecraft’s first stage, nicknamed “Super Heavy” for its 33 engines, had failed, causing both stages to explode. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/nov/18/elon-musk-spacex-loses-contact-with-starship-rocket-after-second-launch-attempt https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/nov/18/elon-musk-sp...

Zigurd 3y ago

What's cringe is starting a tunnel company where a couple hundred people work in apparent seriousness, who think they are building their careers, when the whole thing is built to divert public support from providing more public transit.