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I'm a native English speaker from the US, and a pedant who hates "ask" as a noun, "workshop" as a verb, and "performant" as a word. But I don't get the hate for

by sfink 3y ago

I'm a native English speaker from the US, and a pedant who hates "ask" as a noun, "workshop" as a verb, and "performant" as a word. But I don't get the hate for "learnings" here. What's wrong with it? "Lessons" connotes negativity, "stuff I learned" doesn't naturally fit into many sentences, and "useful information gleaned" can be shoved right back up the tightly puckered ass it came out of. What's the problem? That title is exactly the way I would have written it.

korhojoa 3y ago
Out of curiosity, what's your take on how to write "this item requires repair"? "It needs repaired" is something I've seen, which to me is confusing, because it seems like "to be" is missing. When did "needs" run away from the words it's been associated with before?
- swatcoder 3y ago
  They wrote this for you, I think: https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/needs-washed https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/needs-washed
  - climb_stealth 3y ago
    Oh wow, reading this makes me deeply uncomfortable in an odd way. Like it could pollute my brain and somehow it would become normal to say things like that. I didn't dare read it all.
- esafak 3y ago
  So you're saying "needs" is not doing the needful.
- pweezy 3y ago
  This is a regionalism in parts of the US, which I’ve seen described as Pittsburgh and its surroundings. I come across it often and struggle with cognitive dissonance every time - I know of the regionalism but it feels so strongly like a glaring grammatical error. I see/hear the specific phrase “needs fixed” most often.
- sfink 3y ago
  "This shit's broke." Seriously, though, I'm with you on "It needs to be repaired." Then again, I went to school in the land of the yinzers, so "it needs repaired" doesn't even sound all that off to me anymore even though I'd never use it myself. (I kind of mentally map it to "it needs repairing".) But I think of that as a dialect of English, with no bearing on "standard" English. For standard English, it has to be "it needs to be repaired", "it requires repair", "it needs repairing", or "excuse me, my good sir, but I do believe that this shit here is most definitely in need of repair".
kagol 3y ago
I always thought of "learning" as an uncountable noun.

by sfink 3y ago

korhojoa 3y ago

Out of curiosity, what's your take on how to write "this item requires repair"? "It needs repaired" is something I've seen, which to me is confusing, because it seems like "to be" is missing. When did "needs" run away from the words it's been associated with before?

swatcoder 3y ago
They wrote this for you, I think: https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/needs-washed https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/needs-washed
- climb_stealth 3y ago
  Oh wow, reading this makes me deeply uncomfortable in an odd way. Like it could pollute my brain and somehow it would become normal to say things like that. I didn't dare read it all.
esafak 3y ago
So you're saying "needs" is not doing the needful.
pweezy 3y ago
This is a regionalism in parts of the US, which I’ve seen described as Pittsburgh and its surroundings. I come across it often and struggle with cognitive dissonance every time - I know of the regionalism but it feels so strongly like a glaring grammatical error. I see/hear the specific phrase “needs fixed” most often.
sfink 3y ago
"This shit's broke." Seriously, though, I'm with you on "It needs to be repaired." Then again, I went to school in the land of the yinzers, so "it needs repaired" doesn't even sound all that off to me anymore even though I'd never use it myself. (I kind of mentally map it to "it needs repairing".) But I think of that as a dialect of English, with no bearing on "standard" English. For standard English, it has to be "it needs to be repaired", "it requires repair", "it needs repairing", or "excuse me, my good sir, but I do believe that this shit here is most definitely in need of repair".

kagol 3y ago

I always thought of "learning" as an uncountable noun.