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It’s clear that old school media _really_ does not like Musk or X and are doing anything they can to make him/them look bad. But also, the more articles you wr

by Dig1t 3y ago

It’s clear that old school media _really_ does not like Musk or X and are doing anything they can to make him/them look bad. But also, the more articles you write about “rocket man bad”, doesn’t it become more and more obvious what your bias is? It’s just a little on the nose at this point. No wonder trust in old school media is at an all time low.

seadan83 3y ago
> It’s clear that old school media _really_ does not like Musk or X and are doing anything they can to make him/them look bad. I strongly suspect confirmation bias is at play. How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/18/elon-musk-to-file-thermonuclear-lawsuit-as-advertisers-desert-x https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/18/elon-musk... That certainly is not a "rocket man" is bad article. It provides context and states what why Musk would be filing a lawsuit. How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/05/elon-musk-unveils-grok-an-ai-chatbot-with-a-rebellious-streak https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/05/elon-musk... Seems very expository to me, with lots of quotes from Musk and team. How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/01/elon-musk-calls-ai-one-of-the-biggest-threats-to-humanity-at-summit https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/01/elon-musk... Which leads with the sentence: "Elon Musk, the world’s richest man; Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder of DeepMind; and King Charles among those weighing in" How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biography-eight-things-learned https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/12/elon-musk... I very much could see all 8 of those points being conveyed in a much starker light, or potentially selecting different points that were all abjectly negative - rather than the relatively expository nature of the article.
barrysteve 3y ago
Every single media source is pumping out negativity. All sectors and all industries are constantly reported to be failing, a bad future ahead and wildly disconnected from reality. The media has very few positive news stories and they are channelled along specific activities in life. I can't imagine anybody valuing media now. Media is fundamentally worth less to read and participate in, than ever before. Old school media now, is nothing like old school media then. Online media outside of a few places, is heavily manipulated and poisoined.
renegade-otter 3y ago
Old school media, meaning professional journalists risking their careers and reputation if they get caught making shit up? Compared to? @sexygirl2000 as the "new media"? What does this even mean?
- andrewinardeer 3y ago
  Sure, there are professional journalists who do deep dives into political corruption or nefarious dealings between corporations and lobbyists. Then there are reporters. These are people who write stories for newspapers and are told by their editor to push a narrative because the owner wants to put pressure on a particular sector. They do what they are told because their paycheck is more important that unbiased reporting. Anecdotally I know I am exposed more to these hack reporters in my day to day dealings with my local media outlets than professional journalists and dare I say a lot of other people are too.
nacs 3y ago
You have an issue with publishing a fact recorded in the Guinness book of records? What would you consider a trustworthy non-"old school media" source?
- rockemsockem 3y ago
  There are lots of facts, most of them aren't worth publishing by a news company.
- pcdoodle 3y ago
  Those who stick around publishing without participating in the attention economy. Truth Stream Media is pretty good along with their audience.
i_agree_boy 3y ago
It was the same way with Trump. People had, and have, no idea who the man is because they only consume this ultra-refined vendetta-hatred filled hit pieces with little connection to reality. 95% of journalists voted Clinton. We can assume roughly the same amount are now aligned against Musk.
- deleted 3y ago
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- Hammershaft 3y ago
  Trump lies blatantly to serve himself when you do listen to him directly. Recently he said that without fraud he won every single state in the 2020 election. There is no way a sane person can interpret that as anything but a blatant & dangerous self serving lie. The people who have the most damning things to say about Trump are the people who have lived & worked with him for years. The writer who shadowed him for years to write The Art of the Deal, and the many staff members he hired that would later resign and try to warn people about Trump.
- amanaplanacanal 3y ago
  You can listen to what these men actually say. They aren’t hiding anything. If trump says he doesn’t believe elections are rigged when he loses, and he wants to use the Justice department to go after his political enemies, you really don’t need journalists to explain this to you.
- Zigurd 3y ago
  One is tempted to ask "What color is the sky on your planet?" The worst portrayal of Trump is to just play the tape of what he says.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  What media do you consume that you believe portrays these men more accurately? I presume you do not know them personally.
  - i_agree_boy 3y ago
PH01 3y ago
Exactly the same "old school media" published an article today entitled "Elon Musk visits scene of kibbutz massacre with Benjamin Netanyahu". The article mentions Musks recent post as the reason for his visit. A key take away from the article is Benjamin Netanyahu saying of Musk: “I hope you will be involved. And the fact that you came here, I think, speaks volumes to your commitment to try to secure a better future.” That does not square in the slightest with doing anything they can to make him/them look bad. It presents Musk as a reasonable guy who received praise from the PM of Israel. The article is here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/27/elon-musk-visits-scene-of-kibbutz-massacre-with-benjamin-netanyahu https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/27/elon-musk-visi...
swatcoder 3y ago
Musk puts himself in the cultural spotlight. It's no accident on his part, nor some plot by others. He enjoys the attention and trades on it as part of his development of wealth and power. Some of his contemporary and historical peers keep to elite circles and making boardroom deals, others to rallying public attention as part of the leverage they bring. He's unquestionably of the latter sort. Because of that, people are intensely interested in the melodrama of his public life, and a capitalist or populist media would be foolish not to cover it. The theatricality of it all is his brand and something that he intentionally and specifically cultures. Where and if media organizations do develop a bias of unduly vilifying him, it's because he explicitly invites them to play that role. Whatever you think of him, he's no victim.

by Dig1t 3y ago

seadan83 3y ago

> It’s clear that old school media _really_ does not like Musk or X and are doing anything they can to make him/them look bad. I strongly suspect confirmation bias is at play. How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/18/elon-musk-to-file-thermonuclear-lawsuit-as-advertisers-desert-x https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/18/elon-musk... That certainly is not a "rocket man" is bad article. It provides context and states what why Musk would be filing a lawsuit. How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/05/elon-musk-unveils-grok-an-ai-chatbot-with-a-rebellious-streak https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/05/elon-musk... Seems very expository to me, with lots of quotes from Musk and team. How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/01/elon-musk-calls-ai-one-of-the-biggest-threats-to-humanity-at-summit https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/01/elon-musk... Which leads with the sentence: "Elon Musk, the world’s richest man; Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder of DeepMind; and King Charles among those weighing in" How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biography-eight-things-learned https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/12/elon-musk... I very much could see all 8 of those points being conveyed in a much starker light, or potentially selecting different points that were all abjectly negative - rather than the relatively expository nature of the article.

barrysteve 3y ago

Every single media source is pumping out negativity. All sectors and all industries are constantly reported to be failing, a bad future ahead and wildly disconnected from reality. The media has very few positive news stories and they are channelled along specific activities in life. I can't imagine anybody valuing media now. Media is fundamentally worth less to read and participate in, than ever before. Old school media now, is nothing like old school media then. Online media outside of a few places, is heavily manipulated and poisoined.

renegade-otter 3y ago

Old school media, meaning professional journalists risking their careers and reputation if they get caught making shit up? Compared to? @sexygirl2000 as the "new media"? What does this even mean?

andrewinardeer 3y ago
Sure, there are professional journalists who do deep dives into political corruption or nefarious dealings between corporations and lobbyists. Then there are reporters. These are people who write stories for newspapers and are told by their editor to push a narrative because the owner wants to put pressure on a particular sector. They do what they are told because their paycheck is more important that unbiased reporting. Anecdotally I know I am exposed more to these hack reporters in my day to day dealings with my local media outlets than professional journalists and dare I say a lot of other people are too.

nacs 3y ago

You have an issue with publishing a fact recorded in the Guinness book of records? What would you consider a trustworthy non-"old school media" source?

rockemsockem 3y ago
There are lots of facts, most of them aren't worth publishing by a news company.
pcdoodle 3y ago
Those who stick around publishing without participating in the attention economy. Truth Stream Media is pretty good along with their audience.

i_agree_boy 3y ago

It was the same way with Trump. People had, and have, no idea who the man is because they only consume this ultra-refined vendetta-hatred filled hit pieces with little connection to reality. 95% of journalists voted Clinton. We can assume roughly the same amount are now aligned against Musk.

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Hammershaft 3y ago
Trump lies blatantly to serve himself when you do listen to him directly. Recently he said that without fraud he won every single state in the 2020 election. There is no way a sane person can interpret that as anything but a blatant & dangerous self serving lie. The people who have the most damning things to say about Trump are the people who have lived & worked with him for years. The writer who shadowed him for years to write The Art of the Deal, and the many staff members he hired that would later resign and try to warn people about Trump.
amanaplanacanal 3y ago
You can listen to what these men actually say. They aren’t hiding anything. If trump says he doesn’t believe elections are rigged when he loses, and he wants to use the Justice department to go after his political enemies, you really don’t need journalists to explain this to you.
Zigurd 3y ago
One is tempted to ask "What color is the sky on your planet?" The worst portrayal of Trump is to just play the tape of what he says.
hotpotamus 3y ago
What media do you consume that you believe portrays these men more accurately? I presume you do not know them personally.
- i_agree_boy 3y ago

PH01 3y ago

Exactly the same "old school media" published an article today entitled "Elon Musk visits scene of kibbutz massacre with Benjamin Netanyahu". The article mentions Musks recent post as the reason for his visit. A key take away from the article is Benjamin Netanyahu saying of Musk: “I hope you will be involved. And the fact that you came here, I think, speaks volumes to your commitment to try to secure a better future.” That does not square in the slightest with doing anything they can to make him/them look bad. It presents Musk as a reasonable guy who received praise from the PM of Israel. The article is here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/27/elon-musk-visits-scene-of-kibbutz-massacre-with-benjamin-netanyahu https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/27/elon-musk-visi...

swatcoder 3y ago

Musk puts himself in the cultural spotlight. It's no accident on his part, nor some plot by others. He enjoys the attention and trades on it as part of his development of wealth and power. Some of his contemporary and historical peers keep to elite circles and making boardroom deals, others to rallying public attention as part of the leverage they bring. He's unquestionably of the latter sort. Because of that, people are intensely interested in the melodrama of his public life, and a capitalist or populist media would be foolish not to cover it. The theatricality of it all is his brand and something that he intentionally and specifically cultures. Where and if media organizations do develop a bias of unduly vilifying him, it's because he explicitly invites them to play that role. Whatever you think of him, he's no victim.