so my analogy for this type of bias is, I only want to discuss things like whether (we should have helped Ukraine resist Russia /or/ if Israel's response to Ham

so my analogy for this type of bias is, I only want to discuss things like whether (we should have helped Ukraine resist Russia /or/ if Israel's response to Hamas is appropriate) with people who are completely honest about their motivations. If you are "anti-war" (typical meaning in the Western context) just say that you are anti-war. I can understand the position, I won't freak out, and I will make sure your vote will be counted. But I don't want to discuss it with you just to hear you invent a bunch of customized reasons why in each circumstance there's no logic to helping Ukraine or Israel, etc. If you are ethically a vegetarian, just tell me that, don't tell me how unhealthy meat is, it's a waste of time (=a portion of both our precious lives), it's a lie, and it's bad science (as in it's motivated to a goal, not that it's necessarily wrong; if it turns out to be right, the boy-who-cried-wolf is not the right messenger). we used to think that bees cluster to keep warm, didn't we? this person says clustering is a stress response... well, being cold can be stressful, so can taking the GREs, that doesn't mean it's not good for you. So then I read this shit: > Deliberately inducing clustering by practice or poor hive design may be considered poor welfare or even cruelty, in light of these findings. There are almost no ethics standards for insects. But there is growing evidence that insects feel pain. A 2022 study found that bumblebees react to potentially harmful stimuli in a way that is similar to pain responses in humans. We urgently need to change beekeeping practice to reduce the frequency and duration of clustering Nothing wrong with thinking we need to stress over reducing bee stress, but you're stressing me when I discover that I'm listening to a person obsessed with a fairly narrow slice of what it means to be a human, or what it means to be a bee.