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Have you seen evidence that it's a thing? I've seen evidence of it being a useful threat, just as multi-cloud is. The company that most publicly "did it" ended

Have you seen evidence that it's a thing? I've seen evidence of it being a useful threat, just as multi-cloud is. The company that most publicly "did it" ended up plateauing as they stopped innovating on anything other than that backend migration and plus they likely would have gotten the cost they looked for from the hyperscalers if they'd continued to negotiate. But maybe I'm missing something?

AmericanChopper 3y ago
I’ve had the pleasure of contracting on a cloud migration project, and then a little while later an on-prem migration for the same project. I helped that company build a cost model for comparing their on-prem and cloud workloads, and they ended up moving quite a bit back on-prem. Even for the workloads they didn’t move, having a better way of comparing on-prem and cloud TCOs helped them negotiate much better pricing for their remaining cloud workloads. One legitimate challenge is that it’s actually rather difficult to measure the TCO of each option. I’ve seen companies pushed to get better at that as they experience cloud sticker shock, and as large enterprise pushes more and more work to the cloud, I’d expect to see them continue to improve in this area.
DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
> Have you seen evidence that it's a thing? Only anecdotally - though the stuff I've seen is more about undoing the mistake of letting anyone at the company run-up massive bills on cloud-only big-data-processing (CosmosDB, Data Lake, etc). The only other "repatriation" movement I've seen are orgs who got burned by limitations and glitches in things like OneDrive/GoogleDrive - again, this doesn't really come under VMware's remit.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  The other big thing to realize is that for VMware, and Red Hat (I used to work on the OpenShift team) is that cloud might be big, but our last estimates were that 80% of our workloads and capacity were on-prem/hybrid, not cloud.
  - redwood 3y ago
    If I'm not mistaken, something like 90% of the K8s market is in the public cloud at this point (mostly not using VMware or openshift) so there's a bit of a a biased sample there if you look at the on-prem software orchestration customers as the sample. But maybe I'm exaggerating things
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      That's an extremely valid point. I'm no longer there, but I definitely can acknowledge that there is likely some inherent bias in the subset of customers that VMware/Red Hat has versus the entire market.

AmericanChopper 3y ago

I’ve had the pleasure of contracting on a cloud migration project, and then a little while later an on-prem migration for the same project. I helped that company build a cost model for comparing their on-prem and cloud workloads, and they ended up moving quite a bit back on-prem. Even for the workloads they didn’t move, having a better way of comparing on-prem and cloud TCOs helped them negotiate much better pricing for their remaining cloud workloads. One legitimate challenge is that it’s actually rather difficult to measure the TCO of each option. I’ve seen companies pushed to get better at that as they experience cloud sticker shock, and as large enterprise pushes more and more work to the cloud, I’d expect to see them continue to improve in this area.

DaiPlusPlus 3y ago

> Have you seen evidence that it's a thing? Only anecdotally - though the stuff I've seen is more about undoing the mistake of letting anyone at the company run-up massive bills on cloud-only big-data-processing (CosmosDB, Data Lake, etc). The only other "repatriation" movement I've seen are orgs who got burned by limitations and glitches in things like OneDrive/GoogleDrive - again, this doesn't really come under VMware's remit.

FireBeyond 3y ago
The other big thing to realize is that for VMware, and Red Hat (I used to work on the OpenShift team) is that cloud might be big, but our last estimates were that 80% of our workloads and capacity were on-prem/hybrid, not cloud.
- redwood 3y ago
  If I'm not mistaken, something like 90% of the K8s market is in the public cloud at this point (mostly not using VMware or openshift) so there's a bit of a a biased sample there if you look at the on-prem software orchestration customers as the sample. But maybe I'm exaggerating things
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    That's an extremely valid point. I'm no longer there, but I definitely can acknowledge that there is likely some inherent bias in the subset of customers that VMware/Red Hat has versus the entire market.