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To me email IS broken. But email is not broken because it's not a todo list (I agree with the author that this is a layer above the protocol to fix). To me ema
by scotu 15y ago
To me email IS broken. But email is not broken because it's not a todo list (I agree with the author that this is a layer above the protocol to fix).
To me email is broken because:
1. a discussion is not a discussion but is a series of messages that happen to have the same subject. The client trying to simulate a discussion is not enough.
2. a message carries all the previous discussion: top posting (or any other way)? This should not be a problem: the other messages are (should be) in the discussion (quoting parts of the message is fine as is).
3. group messaging sucks so bad that I feel dirty when I add more than one recipient to an email. Don't get me started on adding someone to a discussion that has already started or trying to refer someone to a certain email or discussion. Again, I feel like fixing the first point could make this better.
Google tried too hard with Wave (no email interoperation whatsoever, useless protocols to have smarter messages/gadgets, mixing wiki messaging and collaboration), so it failed IMHO. It should have been just the messaging part, embeddable/linked-to a proper wiki, document, collab app. That and supporting interacting with email users via email (this would have the problem that the new system has initially lots of the same pitfalls of email, but not all of them. And with time and the vanishing of email-users, those pitfalls could vanish too). Even if is a different protocol, it should be marketed as a different client.
Ah, the third point: As I see the protocol as open and distributed, I didn't use "group messaging" by chance. That is there to solve the other first world problem that drives me mad.
- icebraining 15y ago1. Email clients do add headers that define a thread, it's not just a series of messages with the same subject. Specifically, they use the In-reply-to and References headers to identify the parent and thread correctly. Gmail uses a different model, but many MUAs shows threads as trees, just like e.g. HN.
- scotu 15y agoAs you can infere, I didn't know that, thanks :)