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I find interprocess and program (or subprogram) or coroutine communication fascinating, as I've said before it seems a large part of the complexity of computing

I find interprocess and program (or subprogram) or coroutine communication fascinating, as I've said before it seems a large part of the complexity of computing is the "logistics of data" or data movement. (See calling conventions, network protocols, data flow in pipelines as in Linux pipes or Kafka, interfaces, APIs, REST APIs and socket servers as other Beej tutorials) An API is just arranging something into a known position in memory or registers before jumping in control flow and where to go when it is finished. I have spent a lot of time recently doing hobbyist programming with multithreaded ringbuffers and barriers for concurrency and I'm still looking for a golden abstraction that is easy to reason about - and doesn't suffer from low level mutexes and worrying about memory ownership when transferring data between threads or processes. I really like the ideas behind Smalltalk about communicating objects and the composition of "behaviours" through communication of objects. I have never used Dbus but I think that's kind of similar. And I think The COM object model and Mozilla's XPCOM model are similar ideas that were tried which is about a standard protocol for object communication and initialisation. It reminds me of the perennial userspace vs kernel debate, microkernels vs monolithic kernels. How do you efficiently communicate between programs? And how do you efficiently communicate between parts of the same program without coupling them? Every programming language defines its own semantics. You kind of need to serialize and deserialize data sent between programs for safety. A procedure call (CALL instruction) is efficient communication with registers and the stack and it controls flow directly and isn't parallel. A coroutine is efficient communication at runtime between two or more regions of code. What do you think? Would love to hear what other people are doing in this space and how you've used interprocess communication or even Dbus.

pyinstallwoes 3y ago
Computing is really transformation of energy/information. :) Programming are the mental models and languages to facilitate that action.
- samsquire 3y ago
  I see your profile about energy. Where do you see God in all this :-)
  - pyinstallwoes 3y ago
    I can’t see God, so I can’t know. I do find truth within the slippery thoughts that resemble consciousness and logos as the thing which is always outside of any set, including ones not yet defined. In the sense that when some thing is not yet extant then becomes extant in a set, then clearly logos is outside of all sets. As soon as it is defined it pops outside. As slippery as that intuition is, I tend to find truth in neither what god is nor isn’t. For any descriptor isn’t. But whatever that is, may or may not be. In retrospect, God feels similar to a holy donut. a torus both manifested in form at the magnetic plane and invisible in the hyperbolic giving rise to primordial motion. Simultaneously inside and outside.
    - samsquire 3y ago
      I would recommend reading and studying Psalm 19 and see if you can notice the manifest glory, beauty in the world and in yourself. We are fearfully and wonderfully made. He is simultaneously inside us and we are inside Him like you say and He is Holy and hides Himself from the wisdom of the world.
  - pyinstallwoes 3y ago
    Also to expand to your thoughts in context I’ll add that daemons and angels are etymologically related to messages. One can infer that to resemble thoughts. Messages sent from the prime logos. Then there’s the whole Bible declaring itself as a LLM bit as a recursive definition of god, word, and flesh. So there’s that.
    - samsquire 3y ago
      We choose to embrace those "messages" or "thoughts" from LIGHT or DARKNESS (I hope you pick LIGHT or good). Those messages come from either place. As someone who deals with a difficult illness (schizophrenia) I know what it is to receive messages from the darkness which I reject and resist. But I pick LIGHT and LOVE and God.
      - pyinstallwoes 3y ago

pyinstallwoes 3y ago

Computing is really transformation of energy/information. :) Programming are the mental models and languages to facilitate that action.

samsquire 3y ago
I see your profile about energy. Where do you see God in all this :-)
- pyinstallwoes 3y ago
  I can’t see God, so I can’t know. I do find truth within the slippery thoughts that resemble consciousness and logos as the thing which is always outside of any set, including ones not yet defined. In the sense that when some thing is not yet extant then becomes extant in a set, then clearly logos is outside of all sets. As soon as it is defined it pops outside. As slippery as that intuition is, I tend to find truth in neither what god is nor isn’t. For any descriptor isn’t. But whatever that is, may or may not be. In retrospect, God feels similar to a holy donut. a torus both manifested in form at the magnetic plane and invisible in the hyperbolic giving rise to primordial motion. Simultaneously inside and outside.
  - samsquire 3y ago
    I would recommend reading and studying Psalm 19 and see if you can notice the manifest glory, beauty in the world and in yourself. We are fearfully and wonderfully made. He is simultaneously inside us and we are inside Him like you say and He is Holy and hides Himself from the wisdom of the world.
- pyinstallwoes 3y ago
  Also to expand to your thoughts in context I’ll add that daemons and angels are etymologically related to messages. One can infer that to resemble thoughts. Messages sent from the prime logos. Then there’s the whole Bible declaring itself as a LLM bit as a recursive definition of god, word, and flesh. So there’s that.
  - samsquire 3y ago
    We choose to embrace those "messages" or "thoughts" from LIGHT or DARKNESS (I hope you pick LIGHT or good). Those messages come from either place. As someone who deals with a difficult illness (schizophrenia) I know what it is to receive messages from the darkness which I reject and resist. But I pick LIGHT and LOVE and God.
    - pyinstallwoes 3y ago