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I'm seeing (or perhaps just hoping for) a jump in people using Jellyfin and StashApp. I don't expect anything big, but something small. The same way it's only e

by xethos 3y ago

I'm seeing (or perhaps just hoping for) a jump in people using Jellyfin and StashApp. I don't expect anything big, but something small. The same way it's only ever a small number of people that switch to Free and Libre software. A miniscule number that jump to GNU+Linux, that abandon Facebook, that cut the cord, that see the full breadth and width of externalities that come with car-first infrastructure. Because the Libre solution will end up on top, the same way a millionaire goes broke: slowly at first, then all at once.

rglullis 3y ago
The sad thing about it is that it shows how people are not only willing to give up convenience for freedom, but will act like they have a fire lit under their asses to avoid facing public shame.
- tjoff 3y ago
  Giving up freedom for convenience often involves some form trust, which isn't unreasonable. You expect a service, you often pay for, to respect their users and to act in their users best interest - even if they have other interests as well. This is clearly a betrayal of that trust and also gross misunderstanding of their target audience. Totally fine to be up in arms about that.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    I am not sure if I get your point here? We still need to trust open source developers, and no project (free or proprietary) will be successfully adopted if it doesn't act with users' best interest in mind.
    - tjoff 3y ago
      We do, but it requires a lot more for something like this to pass and take people by surprise. In jellyfin there is no central server and it works fine without internet access. With Plex it was always implied that they could do something like this, just not why they would want to. Not sure how "freedom" would protect you in any other sense?
      - rglullis 3y ago
        > Not sure how "freedom" would protect you in any other sense? There is nothing being said about being "protected". I'm still not sure what your point here is. Maybe we are just talking past each other.
- kouru225 3y ago
  Look, some open source projects are great and some aren’t managed so well. It’s not heresy to pick and choose.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    If you are willing to compromise on your freedom on anything, it just means that you are okay with being restricted as long as the cage is comfortable. That's not a heresy, but it is incredibly sad.
    - kouru225 3y ago
      And if you’re willing to compromise your functionality for anything, it just means that you are okay with being incompetent as long as you can justify it with some strict moral ideology. That’s equally sad.
      - rglullis 3y ago
        How exactly is anyone "incompetent" for refusing to use Plex and spend some time to use, e.g, Kodi?
        kouru225 3y ago
        Because spending time to fix and Jerry-rig a product means you’re not spending time doing something else. You’re operating on a slower time scale and you’re spending your time on projects that aren’t of primary importance.
        rglullis 3y ago
        > Because spending time to fix and Jerry-rig a product means you’re not spending time doing something else Homo-economicus reasoning is fallacious and makes for very boring people. There is very little "Jerry rigging" around nowadays when setting up Kodi on a media PC and the time one "spends" learning pays itself in peace of mind knowing that you are building resilience and won't have to worry about things like a company exposing personal data.
j1elo 3y ago
> Stash is a web-based application. Once the application is running, the interface is available (by default) from http://localhost:9999 http://localhost:9999 Seriously considering to open a feature request and change that default port to 6969.

by xethos 3y ago

rglullis 3y ago

The sad thing about it is that it shows how people are not only willing to give up convenience for freedom, but will act like they have a fire lit under their asses to avoid facing public shame.

tjoff 3y ago
Giving up freedom for convenience often involves some form trust, which isn't unreasonable. You expect a service, you often pay for, to respect their users and to act in their users best interest - even if they have other interests as well. This is clearly a betrayal of that trust and also gross misunderstanding of their target audience. Totally fine to be up in arms about that.
- rglullis 3y ago
  I am not sure if I get your point here? We still need to trust open source developers, and no project (free or proprietary) will be successfully adopted if it doesn't act with users' best interest in mind.
  - tjoff 3y ago
    We do, but it requires a lot more for something like this to pass and take people by surprise. In jellyfin there is no central server and it works fine without internet access. With Plex it was always implied that they could do something like this, just not why they would want to. Not sure how "freedom" would protect you in any other sense?
    - rglullis 3y ago
      > Not sure how "freedom" would protect you in any other sense? There is nothing being said about being "protected". I'm still not sure what your point here is. Maybe we are just talking past each other.
kouru225 3y ago
Look, some open source projects are great and some aren’t managed so well. It’s not heresy to pick and choose.
- rglullis 3y ago
  If you are willing to compromise on your freedom on anything, it just means that you are okay with being restricted as long as the cage is comfortable. That's not a heresy, but it is incredibly sad.
  - kouru225 3y ago
    And if you’re willing to compromise your functionality for anything, it just means that you are okay with being incompetent as long as you can justify it with some strict moral ideology. That’s equally sad.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      How exactly is anyone "incompetent" for refusing to use Plex and spend some time to use, e.g, Kodi?
      - kouru225 3y ago
        Because spending time to fix and Jerry-rig a product means you’re not spending time doing something else. You’re operating on a slower time scale and you’re spending your time on projects that aren’t of primary importance.
        rglullis 3y ago
        > Because spending time to fix and Jerry-rig a product means you’re not spending time doing something else Homo-economicus reasoning is fallacious and makes for very boring people. There is very little "Jerry rigging" around nowadays when setting up Kodi on a media PC and the time one "spends" learning pays itself in peace of mind knowing that you are building resilience and won't have to worry about things like a company exposing personal data.

j1elo 3y ago

> Stash is a web-based application. Once the application is running, the interface is available (by default) from http://localhost:9999 http://localhost:9999 Seriously considering to open a feature request and change that default port to 6969.