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Relevant chart: https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/foodpeople-goodbad-1.png?w=1150 https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/foodp... From: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/you-cant-trust-what-you-read-about-nutrition/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/you-cant-trust-what-you...

airstrike 3y ago
Nah. "Beef" is too broad a category. There are lean cuts and high fat cuts, there are many methods of preparation and countless ways to season. Someone eating maple glazed brisket with a side of extra crispy bacon and buttered scrambled eggs is very different from someone else eating a grilled sirloin seasoned with salt and black pepper. This crusade against red meat is honestly tiring. I subscribe to "eat a little bit of everything in moderation. Mostly what's available in nature and what someone in a farm or at home could produce. Be mindful of the total number of calories. Try not to burn or overcook food in general. Exercise a little bit most days. Don't neglect sleep." (Which to me reads like a lot of common sense advice that my grandparents already knew and followed with no struggle)
- soco 3y ago
  I believe the crusade against red meat comes mostly from the environmental footprint which is pretty much the same for sirloin and brisket, and significant even for industrial grown cattle.
  - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
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  - bluGill 3y ago
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  - kjkjadksj 3y ago
    If that were truly the case the crusaders would be trying to stymie the meat industry on environmental legislative grounds. Instead all we get is some abstracted sense of blame at the consumer level, no real action, no real teeth, no real change to industry or society.
    - hombre_fatal 3y ago
      How do you suggest people change a massive, incumbent, dominant animal ag industry married to the government (e.g. billions of subsidies per year, ag-gag laws) without changing personal attitudes about animal ag and consumer level behavior? And why can't they do both at once? Animal-free products from nut milks to meat alternatives are a growing industry, so clearly something is working without having to somehow do the impossible task of changing the government and doing it independent of popular opinion.
      - jononomo 3y ago
        Beef is subsidized in the US? That is definitely news to me.
wyager 3y ago
The output of nutrition science (using the word "science" loosely - the epistemic standard is not very high) must be examined with the understanding that the field is extraordinarily biased by religious and political considerations, e.g. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327179700_The_Global_Influence_of_the_Seventh-Day_Adventist_Church_on_Diet https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327179700_The_Globa... In particular, there are a number of political and religious factions opposed especially to red meat.
ncann 3y ago
Someone made a site for "cure or cause cancer" before, too bad it's not available anymore https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1495213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1495213
brigadier132 3y ago
This just looks like a chart of calorie density. How much of this can be explained by increased bmi as a result of over consumption of these foods?

airstrike 3y ago

Nah. "Beef" is too broad a category. There are lean cuts and high fat cuts, there are many methods of preparation and countless ways to season. Someone eating maple glazed brisket with a side of extra crispy bacon and buttered scrambled eggs is very different from someone else eating a grilled sirloin seasoned with salt and black pepper. This crusade against red meat is honestly tiring. I subscribe to "eat a little bit of everything in moderation. Mostly what's available in nature and what someone in a farm or at home could produce. Be mindful of the total number of calories. Try not to burn or overcook food in general. Exercise a little bit most days. Don't neglect sleep." (Which to me reads like a lot of common sense advice that my grandparents already knew and followed with no struggle)

soco 3y ago
I believe the crusade against red meat comes mostly from the environmental footprint which is pretty much the same for sirloin and brisket, and significant even for industrial grown cattle.
- whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
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- bluGill 3y ago
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- kjkjadksj 3y ago
  If that were truly the case the crusaders would be trying to stymie the meat industry on environmental legislative grounds. Instead all we get is some abstracted sense of blame at the consumer level, no real action, no real teeth, no real change to industry or society.
  - hombre_fatal 3y ago
    How do you suggest people change a massive, incumbent, dominant animal ag industry married to the government (e.g. billions of subsidies per year, ag-gag laws) without changing personal attitudes about animal ag and consumer level behavior? And why can't they do both at once? Animal-free products from nut milks to meat alternatives are a growing industry, so clearly something is working without having to somehow do the impossible task of changing the government and doing it independent of popular opinion.
    - jononomo 3y ago
      Beef is subsidized in the US? That is definitely news to me.

wyager 3y ago

The output of nutrition science (using the word "science" loosely - the epistemic standard is not very high) must be examined with the understanding that the field is extraordinarily biased by religious and political considerations, e.g. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327179700_The_Global_Influence_of_the_Seventh-Day_Adventist_Church_on_Diet https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327179700_The_Globa... In particular, there are a number of political and religious factions opposed especially to red meat.

ncann 3y ago

Someone made a site for "cure or cause cancer" before, too bad it's not available anymore https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1495213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1495213

brigadier132 3y ago

This just looks like a chart of calorie density. How much of this can be explained by increased bmi as a result of over consumption of these foods?