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What if Tesla just pulled out of the country? Who's worst off? Sweden: - Loss of jobs, I don't know how many. (But the workers would prob. be quite bitter, t
by tmikaeld 3y ago
What if Tesla just pulled out of the country?
Who's worst off?
Sweden:
- Loss of jobs, I don't know how many. (But the workers would prob. be quite bitter, they earned more with Tesla shops than standard shops)
- May be bad for Swedish investments, since a union deal would now be mandatory.
- Less electric cars, less good for the environment.
- € ~100M/year in tax lost from sales.
Tesla:
- Loosing € ~350M/year (10K Sold cars/year, most sold Model 3)
- Dah00n 3y agoThen they'll likely need to pull out of all of Scandinavia. There's already talk of sympathy strikes in both Norway and Denmark.
- Hikikomori 3y agoGermany where they have a factory doesn't seem far behind the rest of Scandinavia.
- einr 3y ago- Loss of jobs, I don't know how many. (But the workers would prob. be quite bitter, they earned more with Tesla shops than standard shops) According to IF Metall, Tesla employees earn less than the average in the "Motorbranschavtalet" -- the collective agreement they should have. - May be bad for Swedish investments, since a union deal would now be mandatory. Nine out of ten Swedes already have jobs covered by union collective agreements. Most of the ones who are not under an agreement work in smaller companies. It is almost unheard of for a company the size of Tesla to refuse. This has been the situation for decades and we have plenty of investments, so this Tesla clownshow changes nothing. - Less electric cars, less good for the environment. There are plenty of other brands who would very much like to take the spot of Tesla's 5th largest market in the world and Sweden's #1 selling car (Tesla Model Y). - € ~100M/year in tax lost from sales. Again, plenty of other more respectable brands out there that we can buy instead. Tesla is free to keep digging their own grave, Sweden will be doing just fine.
- mytailorisrich 3y agoIt is odd that Tesla went to Sweden only to make such a fuss over local customs. On the other hand what's going on does not show Sweden in a particularly positive light, either IMHO. At this point everyone loses but it doesn't seem likely that unions will back down.
- user_named 3y agoThere would be no loss of jobs and no loss of taxes
- mort96 3y ago> - Who'd in their right mind would do business in Sweden without a union deal now? No one. That's the point?
- tmikaeld 3y agoDid I say it wasn't?
- mort96 3y agoI thought you listed it as a negative effect. If that wasn't the point, I apologize, I misinterpreted.
- tmikaeld 3y agoNow that I read it again I can see that interpretation (Updated). I mean it could be bad for Swedish investments, so kind of bad?
- piva00 3y agoIt hasn't been bad so far, similar regulations have been around since 1938 and updated in 74; Sweden punches way above its size in economic output, the country's labour market was built on this foundation and it's worked pretty damn well. I think Sweden will be absolutely fine if Tesla packs up and leaves, it's not like the market disappears because they left, there's just more space for competitors to take over Tesla's marketshare.
- Hikikomori 3y agoYou don't think Tesla owners would seek reimbursement if they cannot service their cars anymore? The government would likely get involved to avoid Tesla car e-waste, either to force car returns and repayment or to allow 3rd party mechanics to work on their cars.
- rightbyte 3y agoMost contracts got exemptions when breaches, delays, non-service etc. are due to strikes.
- Hikikomori 3y agoSure, but that is not the same as pulling out of the country.
- Dah00n 3y ago> or to allow 3rd party mechanics to work on their cars. EU law state you can use whatever shop you want to service you car and it will still be under warranty. I have never once in my life used the dealer for repairs or service unless it was warranty/recall.
- tmikaeld 3y agoIf the company is no longer a legal entity in the country any more, I think it would be very hard to sue for it or get anything out of it.
- Hikikomori 3y agoSo you can just do some illegal stuff and then leave the market and there's no repercussions?
- itsyaboi 3y agoIf no law __enforcement__ occurs then yes, there are no repercussions. How are laws enforced internationally?
- rsynnott 3y ago> Less electric cars, less good for the environment. > € ~100M/year in tax lost from sales. How's that work? Like, there are other manufacturers; you'd assume VW/Hyundai/BYD would just pick up the slack.
- tmikaeld 3y agoYou'd have hundreds of thousands of unused cars. But sure, replacement of sales is probable.