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Lots of companies work without collective agreements in Sweden though. Under law it's completely free if you want to do so or not. You could as well say that th

Lots of companies work without collective agreements in Sweden though. Under law it's completely free if you want to do so or not. You could as well say that the unions are threatening the Swedish model due to taking this to such extreme levels. Especially as it doesn't seem most employees at Tesla want the unions involved.

piva00 3y ago
They do while conditions are ok, it seems like conditions are not ok for these workers hence they pushing for a CBA. And while lots of companies work without a CBA here in Sweden, 90% of employees are covered by CBAs, so the vast majority are covered by one and Tesla fighting this by bringing scabs (a huge, huge no-no in here) is quite stupid. If they thought a CBA would be bad for business then strikes are even worse, it's their choice now to sign one or not with all the costs associated on not having one.
- Pungsnigel 3y ago
  Most employees don't seem to be in support of the unions at this point though? It's a bit hard to tell as there are no official numbers, but from what I've seen it seems like ~90% or so of employees at Tesla remain at work. And there is a high demand for their services, so they could easily go to other companies for work if conditions are bad.
  - Hikikomori 3y ago
    Not all workers have joined the union and wouldn't get paid by the union to strike. But unions use sympathy strikes against companies that might retaliate against their workers if they strike, Tesla has already made threats. So going by how many of the workers at Tesla are striking or not is not a good measurement.
    - bjornsing 3y ago
      The union is offering free memberships and 130% of normal pay. Tesla employees still don’t want to strike [1]. This is why the unions are using these extreme tactics. 1. https://teknikensvarld.expressen.se/nyheter/bilbranschen/tesla-bilar-levereras-till-sverige-trots-hamnblockad/ https://teknikensvarld.expressen.se/nyheter/bilbranschen/tes...
      - Hikikomori 3y ago
        Tesla threatened to remove their stocks if they strikes so not surprised as it's supposedly a large part of their compensation.
        lupusreal 3y ago
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Stranger43 3y ago
The way unions work in scandinavia is that they are decentralized but supportive of each other. IE as long as the workers don't form an local chapter everything is fine the problem if that when such a chapter forms and the company ignores it every other union chapter is allowed to refuse to deliver work in support of an company that choose to refuse/fight unionization. So for there to be an conflict there have to be an meaningful chapter formed within tesla's employee base that tesla refuses to acknowledge. Now again remember that this system is core to the "flexsecurity" systems employed by all of the nordic countries which is generally based on fair negotiations between equal parties(union and company) if Tesla manage to break that model they force the bureaucracy and state to take over and set highly rules without any concerns for local details they way it typically happens in France which is going to hit their profitability far harder then allowing unionization.
- ekianjo 3y ago
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  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Well, except for the "legal, encouraged, and part of the social compact" bit.
  - salawat 3y ago
    So much "Network effects for me, but not for thee" vibes in this thread. Lets be clear. The VC streak on this forum would viciously exploit any opportunity to wrest every cent out of any even ambiguously quasi-legal network-effect-if-you-look-hard-enough. I personally get great amusement in seeing the shoe on the other foot for once. Rock on, Nordic fellows!
- soco 3y ago
  I work for a US company and I can tell that US management doesn't give a rat's ass on local customs until it bites them. You can raise and escalate and whatnot, they will still push the locals to implement the illegal/unacceptable stuff if not immediately then boiling the frog - anything goes until some agency or legal suit says whoa stop.

piva00 3y ago

They do while conditions are ok, it seems like conditions are not ok for these workers hence they pushing for a CBA. And while lots of companies work without a CBA here in Sweden, 90% of employees are covered by CBAs, so the vast majority are covered by one and Tesla fighting this by bringing scabs (a huge, huge no-no in here) is quite stupid. If they thought a CBA would be bad for business then strikes are even worse, it's their choice now to sign one or not with all the costs associated on not having one.

Pungsnigel 3y ago
Most employees don't seem to be in support of the unions at this point though? It's a bit hard to tell as there are no official numbers, but from what I've seen it seems like ~90% or so of employees at Tesla remain at work. And there is a high demand for their services, so they could easily go to other companies for work if conditions are bad.
- Hikikomori 3y ago
  Not all workers have joined the union and wouldn't get paid by the union to strike. But unions use sympathy strikes against companies that might retaliate against their workers if they strike, Tesla has already made threats. So going by how many of the workers at Tesla are striking or not is not a good measurement.
  - bjornsing 3y ago
    The union is offering free memberships and 130% of normal pay. Tesla employees still don’t want to strike [1]. This is why the unions are using these extreme tactics. 1. https://teknikensvarld.expressen.se/nyheter/bilbranschen/tesla-bilar-levereras-till-sverige-trots-hamnblockad/ https://teknikensvarld.expressen.se/nyheter/bilbranschen/tes...
    - Hikikomori 3y ago
      Tesla threatened to remove their stocks if they strikes so not surprised as it's supposedly a large part of their compensation.
      - lupusreal 3y ago
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Stranger43 3y ago

The way unions work in scandinavia is that they are decentralized but supportive of each other. IE as long as the workers don't form an local chapter everything is fine the problem if that when such a chapter forms and the company ignores it every other union chapter is allowed to refuse to deliver work in support of an company that choose to refuse/fight unionization. So for there to be an conflict there have to be an meaningful chapter formed within tesla's employee base that tesla refuses to acknowledge. Now again remember that this system is core to the "flexsecurity" systems employed by all of the nordic countries which is generally based on fair negotiations between equal parties(union and company) if Tesla manage to break that model they force the bureaucracy and state to take over and set highly rules without any concerns for local details they way it typically happens in France which is going to hit their profitability far harder then allowing unionization.

ekianjo 3y ago
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- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Well, except for the "legal, encouraged, and part of the social compact" bit.
- salawat 3y ago
  So much "Network effects for me, but not for thee" vibes in this thread. Lets be clear. The VC streak on this forum would viciously exploit any opportunity to wrest every cent out of any even ambiguously quasi-legal network-effect-if-you-look-hard-enough. I personally get great amusement in seeing the shoe on the other foot for once. Rock on, Nordic fellows!
soco 3y ago
I work for a US company and I can tell that US management doesn't give a rat's ass on local customs until it bites them. You can raise and escalate and whatnot, they will still push the locals to implement the illegal/unacceptable stuff if not immediately then boiling the frog - anything goes until some agency or legal suit says whoa stop.