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Why would you want to take the fun out of the Autobahn?

by ExoticPearTree 3y ago

Kelteseth 3y ago
Because it is meant to be for save transportation not a track for speeding sports cars.
- ExoticPearTree 3y ago
  I wouldn't consider a BMW 3 Series or a Mercedes C Klass sport cars by any definition.
  - seasox 3y ago
    I would.
  - Aachen 3y ago
    I'm not a car person so I had to look it up. Wikipedia says the former can do 0–100km/h in 3.9 seconds and tops out at 302 km/h (depending on which version you get within that series of course). There's F1, race cars, and street-legal sports cars. To me, this sort of performance is on par with the latter category (as one never needs either of those specs in regular driving) and I can definitely see someone calling them a car capable of behaving like a sports car.
- gregoriol 3y ago
  Why not drive at any speed, if behavior is consistent with the speed and safety? There are people driving excessively fast or near other vehicules or switching lanes dangerously on any roads: that should be the focus, not people driving faster but also respecting others on the road
  - gryzzly 3y ago
    because it isn’t consistent with speed and safety. there is no need to have opinions on this, there are statistics and comparisons made with any other country and they are 100% not if favour of no speed limit, easy. it’s simply a lobbying issue by car makers in Germany and that’s all there is to it.
Cockbrand 3y ago
Q.E.D. (regarding the mentioned intellectual and rational quality of the debate)
gryzzly 3y ago
cause it’s a public facility financed by my money and it should serve the society and the country. go pay a ticket for a race track and enjoy your version of fun if that’s your thing.
- nunobrito 3y ago
  It is also financed by my money. Driving faster or slower should be the responsability of drivers according to their needs. There were votes on this topic, your opinion is a minority which by large portion does not even drive cars at all.
  - gryzzly 3y ago
    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-majority-want-autobahn-speed-limits/a-59660592 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-majority-want-autobahn-speed-l... one from 2021, this year the surveys I saw in two different places said over 67%.
    - nunobrito 3y ago
      Be factual, there were dozens of surveys on the same topic that voted opposite to that, and this since decades. Then try to get only people with drivers license to vote and you get a clear opposition to limits.
  - gryzzly 3y ago
    would you say flying airplanes faster or slower should also be responsibility of the pilots? what about speed boats within the city, should they be allowed? why on earth moving tonnes of metal at high speeds should not be regulated? considering 1,5 million people die per year from moving this metal boxes at hgh speed (comparable to the amount of people who died from pandemic that stopped the world for a year btw).
    - nunobrito 3y ago
      If you mean vehicles transporting hundreds of people, regulations on speed are very similar to them on the road. You won't see a bus speeding at 150 Km/h. If you mean private vehicles, you'd be surprised how even more lax are the regulations for private-owned airplanes. It all depends on the class of your airplane. Speed limits apply mostly on air traffic control direct indications and things like being on the vicinity of airports/corridors. So yes, flying faster or slower is responsibility of pilots to a great extent of their own travels.
herbst 3y ago
You are either German are never driven a German autobahn. Cars racing at 200kmh+ just 30cm or so from you is not fun anywhere.
- killerpopiller 3y ago
  there excesses but it is great to drive your own velocity. I feel comfortable at 150km/h other drivers with sportier cars drive safe at 180 km/h
  - herbst 3y ago
    But I have to share the same street at my usual 120 max speed I am used to. I can just say for me German autobahn with its rasers and semi hidden police vehicles around every other corner is always a scary experience. I honestly felt more safe in Bangkok on a scooter than some of these public racing tracks near Munich.
- nunobrito 3y ago
  I'm in Germany for many years and drive tens of thousand kilometers across western Europe every year. It is a rare sight that you even cross someone going at 200 km/h. First there are continuous construction works on the roads. Then you need to remember the constant traffic jams just about everywhere. The picture on that article is from the autobahn in Frankfurt with direction to Darmstadt. It is one of the few places with 4 lanes where you can speed at your hearts content for about 10 kilometers and then slow down. This if you are lucky that slow drivers go the right-most lanes, often that doesn't even happen so you have to slow down again. The only exception are fridays when driving to East Germany and Poland. On those roads you can speed and the large majority of them are just trying to get earlier home and enjoy more time with family. Quite frankly, the most dangerous road in Western Europe have got to be French highways. In those you get young kids doing all kind of dangerous moves and speeding right behind you without respect. German drivers are noticeably more mature, you drive fast but with experience without thrills.
  - naranha 3y ago

Why would you want to take the fun out of the Autobahn?

Kelteseth 3y ago

Because it is meant to be for save transportation not a track for speeding sports cars.

ExoticPearTree 3y ago
I wouldn't consider a BMW 3 Series or a Mercedes C Klass sport cars by any definition.
- seasox 3y ago
  I would.
- Aachen 3y ago
  I'm not a car person so I had to look it up. Wikipedia says the former can do 0–100km/h in 3.9 seconds and tops out at 302 km/h (depending on which version you get within that series of course). There's F1, race cars, and street-legal sports cars. To me, this sort of performance is on par with the latter category (as one never needs either of those specs in regular driving) and I can definitely see someone calling them a car capable of behaving like a sports car.
gregoriol 3y ago
Why not drive at any speed, if behavior is consistent with the speed and safety? There are people driving excessively fast or near other vehicules or switching lanes dangerously on any roads: that should be the focus, not people driving faster but also respecting others on the road
- gryzzly 3y ago
  because it isn’t consistent with speed and safety. there is no need to have opinions on this, there are statistics and comparisons made with any other country and they are 100% not if favour of no speed limit, easy. it’s simply a lobbying issue by car makers in Germany and that’s all there is to it.

Cockbrand 3y ago

Q.E.D. (regarding the mentioned intellectual and rational quality of the debate)

gryzzly 3y ago

cause it’s a public facility financed by my money and it should serve the society and the country. go pay a ticket for a race track and enjoy your version of fun if that’s your thing.

nunobrito 3y ago
It is also financed by my money. Driving faster or slower should be the responsability of drivers according to their needs. There were votes on this topic, your opinion is a minority which by large portion does not even drive cars at all.
- gryzzly 3y ago
  https://www.dw.com/en/germany-majority-want-autobahn-speed-limits/a-59660592 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-majority-want-autobahn-speed-l... one from 2021, this year the surveys I saw in two different places said over 67%.
  - nunobrito 3y ago
    Be factual, there were dozens of surveys on the same topic that voted opposite to that, and this since decades. Then try to get only people with drivers license to vote and you get a clear opposition to limits.
- gryzzly 3y ago
  would you say flying airplanes faster or slower should also be responsibility of the pilots? what about speed boats within the city, should they be allowed? why on earth moving tonnes of metal at high speeds should not be regulated? considering 1,5 million people die per year from moving this metal boxes at hgh speed (comparable to the amount of people who died from pandemic that stopped the world for a year btw).
  - nunobrito 3y ago
    If you mean vehicles transporting hundreds of people, regulations on speed are very similar to them on the road. You won't see a bus speeding at 150 Km/h. If you mean private vehicles, you'd be surprised how even more lax are the regulations for private-owned airplanes. It all depends on the class of your airplane. Speed limits apply mostly on air traffic control direct indications and things like being on the vicinity of airports/corridors. So yes, flying faster or slower is responsibility of pilots to a great extent of their own travels.

herbst 3y ago

You are either German are never driven a German autobahn. Cars racing at 200kmh+ just 30cm or so from you is not fun anywhere.

killerpopiller 3y ago
there excesses but it is great to drive your own velocity. I feel comfortable at 150km/h other drivers with sportier cars drive safe at 180 km/h
- herbst 3y ago
  But I have to share the same street at my usual 120 max speed I am used to. I can just say for me German autobahn with its rasers and semi hidden police vehicles around every other corner is always a scary experience. I honestly felt more safe in Bangkok on a scooter than some of these public racing tracks near Munich.
nunobrito 3y ago
I'm in Germany for many years and drive tens of thousand kilometers across western Europe every year. It is a rare sight that you even cross someone going at 200 km/h. First there are continuous construction works on the roads. Then you need to remember the constant traffic jams just about everywhere. The picture on that article is from the autobahn in Frankfurt with direction to Darmstadt. It is one of the few places with 4 lanes where you can speed at your hearts content for about 10 kilometers and then slow down. This if you are lucky that slow drivers go the right-most lanes, often that doesn't even happen so you have to slow down again. The only exception are fridays when driving to East Germany and Poland. On those roads you can speed and the large majority of them are just trying to get earlier home and enjoy more time with family. Quite frankly, the most dangerous road in Western Europe have got to be French highways. In those you get young kids doing all kind of dangerous moves and speeding right behind you without respect. German drivers are noticeably more mature, you drive fast but with experience without thrills.
- naranha 3y ago