> Production value is the effort, material and time spent This is the sort of thing I mean - it seems an artificial distinction to make a political point. E.g.

> Production value is the effort, material and time spent This is the sort of thing I mean - it seems an artificial distinction to make a political point. E.g. if I rent a warehouse use as a factory building, or buy a machine that can make so many thousand widgets, these don't seem to fall anywhere in the conception of what it takes to make something. And even if it does - so what? What is production value for?