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My guess is that i wasn't marketing. It was because FF was dog-slow back then and Chrome was (still is) blazingly fast

girvo 3y ago
Most non-technical users don't give a crap about how fast or slow their browser was: if they did, they would've switched from IE to Firefox the first go 'round. To downplay the fact that google advertised Chrome on google.com is to rewrite history, in my opinion.
- prox 3y ago
  It’s not rewriting history. Firefox really was a slow browser in that time, especially with lots of tabs open. It was only with the Quantum (?) engine that FF became a lot faster. Webpages loading that bit snappier really was a big deal back then, probably for a lot of developers especially. Google was still riding on the “Do No Evil” vibes till about 2012-2014 I would wager.
  - rstuart4133 3y ago
    > It’s not rewriting history. Firefox really was a slow browser in that time, It will be interesting to see what happens next year in that case, because FF+UBO will be much faster than Chrome with a nobbled ad blocker. If your right and speed is what everyone cares about there should be a mass migration back to Firefox. But I doubt it, because we have already have a similar experiment. FF+UBO on Android is blazing fast compared to Chrome on Android. Chrome not supporting extensions on Android means the situation is nothing like desktop where Chrome and Firefox are roughly comparable (and always have been). On an ad laden site FF+UBO is going to load a page several times faster. More to the point to me, ads on desktop are often "out of the way" of the main content, but on mobile that consume roughly 1/3 of an already small screen. Like the ancestor poster, I'm stunned that nobody uses Firefox mobile (I'm defining 0.49% market share as nobody). Performance wise the difference is enormous - yet clearly no one cares. Which also means, you and I and other nerds notwithstanding, it likely no one cared about Firefox's performance versus Chrome when they switched on the desktop. Marketing, bundling, breaking of Firefox on Google's home sites look to fit the facts much better.
  - pyrale 3y ago
    > Webpages loading that bit snappier really was a big deal back then No, it wasn't. Quick reminder, the issue with IE was webpages loading broken, or not loading at all. People that used that crap didn't switch because "Chrome was a bit snappier than FF", they switched because all of a sudden every webpage, many sotfware install wizard, and even billboards on the street told them to switch to Chrome. Some "toolbars" installed it without asking. They probably never had heard of FF or Opera before.
    - prox 3y ago
      Now I get where you are coming from, that is a good take. I think amongst developers/techies it was an issue though, I remember the convos around that.
      - girvo 3y ago
        Yeah look, we cared. I know I did, it’s why I switched at the time. Your average person didn’t though, but they still switched!
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Yeah I've been helping people fixing up old tablets, one user got me to fix an iPad 3rd generation (the first with retina) and besides having an ancient iOS version it was just so frustratingly slow doing anything. Obviously, it was only a dual-core or something and totally bogged down by the high resolution for its day. However she thought it was totally fine as she was used to it :S
- idonotknowwhy 3y ago
  Agreed, Opera was my far the fastest browser back in the day, and I was the only person I knew who used it lol
zo1 3y ago
Maybe - but we all forget how google was the one that "pushed" javascript heavily, even if indirectly. At least that's how I remember it so many years later. So, convenient that they pushed something that half the web and browsers didn't pay much attention to, but they did because they wanted interactive apps and things inside a browser. And hey, this was at the time fancy UIs and frameworks were popping up. Were they prescient or just riding the wave? Or were they perhaps doing that plus also pushing the wave in the direction that best suited what they were good at and also made them lots of money in advertising. So when we say marketing, we have to include all that advertising now just for a browser, but also for everything that google was pushing in synergy with it.
MaKey 3y ago
Chrome was being pushed hard via installers of other software, that's how it got onto computers of regular users.
- minimaul 3y ago
  This! Adobe used to bundle Chrome by default with Acrobat Reader for instance. - this was how a LOT of people got Chrome the first time.
pyrale 3y ago
Your guess would be wrong. Chrome mostly replaced old IE installs at first. And firefox was also miles ahead of old IE. The reason FF took many years to gain market share when Chrome took the same market share in months is advertising budget. All the people coming up with revisionist bs about firefox being bad just don't realize that 1) there wasn't only Firefox, Opera was also present (chrome was basically a ripoff of Opera's ux) and that 2) the incumbent back then was IE. The gap between IE and firefox/opera was way larger than whatever people claim the difference was between firefox/opera and Chrome.

Most non-technical users don't give a crap about how fast or slow their browser was: if they did, they would've switched from IE to Firefox the first go 'round. To downplay the fact that google advertised Chrome on google.com is to rewrite history, in my opinion.

prox 3y ago
It’s not rewriting history. Firefox really was a slow browser in that time, especially with lots of tabs open. It was only with the Quantum (?) engine that FF became a lot faster. Webpages loading that bit snappier really was a big deal back then, probably for a lot of developers especially. Google was still riding on the “Do No Evil” vibes till about 2012-2014 I would wager.
- rstuart4133 3y ago
  > It’s not rewriting history. Firefox really was a slow browser in that time, It will be interesting to see what happens next year in that case, because FF+UBO will be much faster than Chrome with a nobbled ad blocker. If your right and speed is what everyone cares about there should be a mass migration back to Firefox. But I doubt it, because we have already have a similar experiment. FF+UBO on Android is blazing fast compared to Chrome on Android. Chrome not supporting extensions on Android means the situation is nothing like desktop where Chrome and Firefox are roughly comparable (and always have been). On an ad laden site FF+UBO is going to load a page several times faster. More to the point to me, ads on desktop are often "out of the way" of the main content, but on mobile that consume roughly 1/3 of an already small screen. Like the ancestor poster, I'm stunned that nobody uses Firefox mobile (I'm defining 0.49% market share as nobody). Performance wise the difference is enormous - yet clearly no one cares. Which also means, you and I and other nerds notwithstanding, it likely no one cared about Firefox's performance versus Chrome when they switched on the desktop. Marketing, bundling, breaking of Firefox on Google's home sites look to fit the facts much better.
- pyrale 3y ago
  > Webpages loading that bit snappier really was a big deal back then No, it wasn't. Quick reminder, the issue with IE was webpages loading broken, or not loading at all. People that used that crap didn't switch because "Chrome was a bit snappier than FF", they switched because all of a sudden every webpage, many sotfware install wizard, and even billboards on the street told them to switch to Chrome. Some "toolbars" installed it without asking. They probably never had heard of FF or Opera before.
  - prox 3y ago
    Now I get where you are coming from, that is a good take. I think amongst developers/techies it was an issue though, I remember the convos around that.
    - girvo 3y ago
      Yeah look, we cared. I know I did, it’s why I switched at the time. Your average person didn’t though, but they still switched!
wkat4242 3y ago
Yeah I've been helping people fixing up old tablets, one user got me to fix an iPad 3rd generation (the first with retina) and besides having an ancient iOS version it was just so frustratingly slow doing anything. Obviously, it was only a dual-core or something and totally bogged down by the high resolution for its day. However she thought it was totally fine as she was used to it :S
idonotknowwhy 3y ago
Agreed, Opera was my far the fastest browser back in the day, and I was the only person I knew who used it lol

zo1 3y ago

Maybe - but we all forget how google was the one that "pushed" javascript heavily, even if indirectly. At least that's how I remember it so many years later. So, convenient that they pushed something that half the web and browsers didn't pay much attention to, but they did because they wanted interactive apps and things inside a browser. And hey, this was at the time fancy UIs and frameworks were popping up. Were they prescient or just riding the wave? Or were they perhaps doing that plus also pushing the wave in the direction that best suited what they were good at and also made them lots of money in advertising. So when we say marketing, we have to include all that advertising now just for a browser, but also for everything that google was pushing in synergy with it.

MaKey 3y ago

Chrome was being pushed hard via installers of other software, that's how it got onto computers of regular users.

minimaul 3y ago
This! Adobe used to bundle Chrome by default with Acrobat Reader for instance. - this was how a LOT of people got Chrome the first time.

pyrale 3y ago

Your guess would be wrong. Chrome mostly replaced old IE installs at first. And firefox was also miles ahead of old IE. The reason FF took many years to gain market share when Chrome took the same market share in months is advertising budget. All the people coming up with revisionist bs about firefox being bad just don't realize that 1) there wasn't only Firefox, Opera was also present (chrome was basically a ripoff of Opera's ux) and that 2) the incumbent back then was IE. The gap between IE and firefox/opera was way larger than whatever people claim the difference was between firefox/opera and Chrome.