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Helpful to save you three steps and a lift of a hand to see whats inside?

by ekianjo 3y ago

shiroiuma 3y ago
It's likely useful when you're at the grocery store and can't remember if you need to buy eggs or not.
- Fricken 3y ago
  I rely on a shopping list like my grandma. Another scenario where not innovating is the way to go.
ArnoVW 3y ago
I imagine the use case is more one of “I’m in the supermarket and I need to know if I have enough xyz left”
- the_other 3y ago
  These two solutions are more fun. - make something else - buy more regardless and make a larger batch They have fewer points of technical failure; they don’t create security attack surface; they save bandwidth; they get you talking to your friends, family or neighbours more; most food waste biodegrades, so it’s not really “waste”.
  - varjag 3y ago
    Sure, there's a way to talk down anything.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    > most food waste biodegrades, so it’s not really “waste” If your argument requires saying it's fine to just throw out food, maybe you should reconsider.
    - the_other 3y ago
      > If your argument requires saying it's fine to just throw out food, maybe you should reconsider. You're making some kind of assumption and value judgement here but not articulating it. You're using the assumption as leverage to make an emotional push for me to think differently. What's the assumption and value judgement? Can you weigh that against the biodegradability comment and share more of your thoughts?
    - hef19898 3y ago
      What litte food is wasted because people buy stuff they alrwady have by forgetting what's in the fridge pales in comparison the necessary effort and resources spent in building and installing cameras un a fridge and run the infrastructure necessary to connect those cameras to a phone over the internet.
      - ArnoVW 3y ago
        for sure I haven't run the numbers, but I think you may be underestimating the impact of food spillage / waste. Not only is spillage huge in the US [1], but one has to take into account where the loss is. A pepper that you buy, cook and then throw away represents a considerable investment: * you spent energy cooking it * your supermarket had to stock / refrigerate 1.x pepper to sell you 1.0, because of spillage * the pepper had to be transported from the land, to and fro various logistic centers (sometimes 100's of miles) * the farmer had to grow 2.x or even 3.x peppers to sell 1.0, because of esthetics (unfortunately) .. meaning often esticides, heating, etc I am generally not in favour of IoT, and am not convinced that a camera will correct this issue. But make no mistake: food spillage has a huge impact. 1 : https://www.fao.org/3/bt300e/bt300e.pdf https://www.fao.org/3/bt300e/bt300e.pdf
        the_other 3y ago
        I like this response a lot, despite it opposing my earlier comment. Good thoughts, thanks. For me, this highlights issues that I think the IoT solutions paint over. The IoT solutions all require the same kinds of industry you're describing here, but for tech. So when those get deployed you have the food industry and the tech industry, but you still have the problem of the mouldy pepper, and the problem of food deserts, and a few other things. I still think my "you can throw out the excess/mouldy food" and the "solve the problem by communal cooking" are better approaches than the IoT one. But I accept this is intuition and guesswork, and somewhat politically motivated. I'm sure about the politics here, but I accept I'm light on the data. I think the real problems are elsewhere than either the individual mouldy peppers and the IoT; somewhere around deeper, harder issues to do with supporting towns and cities the way we do.
troupo 3y ago
I'm an impulsive shopper, so I often end up at a grocery store with no idea if, for example, I need to buy more eggs, or butter, or... I'd love to be able to see/know what I have at home while I'm shopping. But yeah, it's a minor convenience
jona-f 3y ago
Opening the door wastes energy. And it seems, mindlessly going to the fridge to see what's inside even though you know exactly whats inside, is a thing many people are doing. So there is an argument to be made, that a camera in the fridge is a useful feature. I'm happy without it.
- PeterStuer 3y ago
  If the budget for the cameras, screens and apps would be spend on extra isolation, the fridge would overall be more ecological. But hey. I understand. Gadgets sell more than quality.
  - chongli 3y ago
    If you want a fridge that’s really efficient, you can’t beat a chest/bunker freezer with a thermostat. Refrigerators lose all their efficiency from the vertically mounted doors which allow all the cold air to fall out instantly when you open the door. A chest freezer door is mounted horizontally so the cold air stays trapped inside, even when you open the door. This makes all the difference in the world!
- aydyn 3y ago
  You could get a glass door fridge?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    That probably wastes more electricity; heat insulators and clear substances don't overlap very much.
    - aydyn 3y ago
      Is that more heat waste than the habit of constantly closing and opening the door to check what's inside?
      - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
varjag 3y ago
We were discussing the apps for the fridges, which naturally work well beyond physical proximity. One of the locations they work fine at is grocery stores.

Helpful to save you three steps and a lift of a hand to see whats inside?

shiroiuma 3y ago

It's likely useful when you're at the grocery store and can't remember if you need to buy eggs or not.

Fricken 3y ago
I rely on a shopping list like my grandma. Another scenario where not innovating is the way to go.

ArnoVW 3y ago

I imagine the use case is more one of “I’m in the supermarket and I need to know if I have enough xyz left”

the_other 3y ago
These two solutions are more fun. - make something else - buy more regardless and make a larger batch They have fewer points of technical failure; they don’t create security attack surface; they save bandwidth; they get you talking to your friends, family or neighbours more; most food waste biodegrades, so it’s not really “waste”.
- varjag 3y ago
  Sure, there's a way to talk down anything.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > most food waste biodegrades, so it’s not really “waste” If your argument requires saying it's fine to just throw out food, maybe you should reconsider.
  - the_other 3y ago
    > If your argument requires saying it's fine to just throw out food, maybe you should reconsider. You're making some kind of assumption and value judgement here but not articulating it. You're using the assumption as leverage to make an emotional push for me to think differently. What's the assumption and value judgement? Can you weigh that against the biodegradability comment and share more of your thoughts?
  - hef19898 3y ago
    What litte food is wasted because people buy stuff they alrwady have by forgetting what's in the fridge pales in comparison the necessary effort and resources spent in building and installing cameras un a fridge and run the infrastructure necessary to connect those cameras to a phone over the internet.
    - ArnoVW 3y ago
      for sure I haven't run the numbers, but I think you may be underestimating the impact of food spillage / waste. Not only is spillage huge in the US [1], but one has to take into account where the loss is. A pepper that you buy, cook and then throw away represents a considerable investment: * you spent energy cooking it * your supermarket had to stock / refrigerate 1.x pepper to sell you 1.0, because of spillage * the pepper had to be transported from the land, to and fro various logistic centers (sometimes 100's of miles) * the farmer had to grow 2.x or even 3.x peppers to sell 1.0, because of esthetics (unfortunately) .. meaning often esticides, heating, etc I am generally not in favour of IoT, and am not convinced that a camera will correct this issue. But make no mistake: food spillage has a huge impact. 1 : https://www.fao.org/3/bt300e/bt300e.pdf https://www.fao.org/3/bt300e/bt300e.pdf
      - the_other 3y ago
        I like this response a lot, despite it opposing my earlier comment. Good thoughts, thanks. For me, this highlights issues that I think the IoT solutions paint over. The IoT solutions all require the same kinds of industry you're describing here, but for tech. So when those get deployed you have the food industry and the tech industry, but you still have the problem of the mouldy pepper, and the problem of food deserts, and a few other things. I still think my "you can throw out the excess/mouldy food" and the "solve the problem by communal cooking" are better approaches than the IoT one. But I accept this is intuition and guesswork, and somewhat politically motivated. I'm sure about the politics here, but I accept I'm light on the data. I think the real problems are elsewhere than either the individual mouldy peppers and the IoT; somewhere around deeper, harder issues to do with supporting towns and cities the way we do.

troupo 3y ago

I'm an impulsive shopper, so I often end up at a grocery store with no idea if, for example, I need to buy more eggs, or butter, or... I'd love to be able to see/know what I have at home while I'm shopping. But yeah, it's a minor convenience

jona-f 3y ago

Opening the door wastes energy. And it seems, mindlessly going to the fridge to see what's inside even though you know exactly whats inside, is a thing many people are doing. So there is an argument to be made, that a camera in the fridge is a useful feature. I'm happy without it.

PeterStuer 3y ago
If the budget for the cameras, screens and apps would be spend on extra isolation, the fridge would overall be more ecological. But hey. I understand. Gadgets sell more than quality.
- chongli 3y ago
  If you want a fridge that’s really efficient, you can’t beat a chest/bunker freezer with a thermostat. Refrigerators lose all their efficiency from the vertically mounted doors which allow all the cold air to fall out instantly when you open the door. A chest freezer door is mounted horizontally so the cold air stays trapped inside, even when you open the door. This makes all the difference in the world!
aydyn 3y ago
You could get a glass door fridge?
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  That probably wastes more electricity; heat insulators and clear substances don't overlap very much.
  - aydyn 3y ago
    Is that more heat waste than the habit of constantly closing and opening the door to check what's inside?
    - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

varjag 3y ago

We were discussing the apps for the fridges, which naturally work well beyond physical proximity. One of the locations they work fine at is grocery stores.