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Sure; I don't disagree as such. Merely pointing out the dangers involved. Note also the deception with these so-called smoking guns, i.e. I wouldn't really trus

Sure; I don't disagree as such. Merely pointing out the dangers involved. Note also the deception with these so-called smoking guns, i.e. I wouldn't really trust that much any "hints" found inside APT's malware.

wkat4242 3y ago
True but really it's part of the Russians' MO to leave traces. They will scream in your face denying it but at the same time they make sure there is no doubt about who is behind it. After all, it's a message and there's no point to it if it's not clear who 'sent' it. This is reinforced even more by the fact that their attacks are annoying pinpricks (and many of them) but not really debilitating. Cleverly skirting the limits of an act of war. I doubt they'd actually kill our entire power grid even if they could (and I do believe they could, they have a lot of experience at this, and as the article states our security is still shit).
- jruohonen 3y ago
  > After all, it's a message and there's no point to it if it's not clear who 'sent' it. If they want to be attributed, then it is not deception, right? In that case, it is interesting why it is so; here we'll probably move into the grander hybrid game, including the propaganda war, which also brings the risks I mentioned in case it is deception and you misattribute.
- aa-jv 3y ago
  >True but really it's part of the Russians' MO to leave traces. The mere existence of the Vault 7 toolbox means that you can no longer, in good faith, make this argument. Ever again. For reference: https://sociable.co/government-and-policy/intelligence-agencies-ransomware-cia-tools-fake-cyberattack-russia/ https://sociable.co/government-and-policy/intelligence-agenc... and: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ See also: https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-05-04/China-issues-report-on-U-S-CIA-s-cyberattacks-on-other-countries-1jwCIwmKveM/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-05-04/China-issues-report-on... Please avoid making baseless claims about the 'evidence' left behind by "other countrys' hackers" as there is absolutely no basis to believe any of this evidence, ever again. One can simply not trust the claims of evidence of hacking being proferred - by anyone, let alone the US' own utterly vile intelligence agencies.

wkat4242 3y ago

True but really it's part of the Russians' MO to leave traces. They will scream in your face denying it but at the same time they make sure there is no doubt about who is behind it. After all, it's a message and there's no point to it if it's not clear who 'sent' it. This is reinforced even more by the fact that their attacks are annoying pinpricks (and many of them) but not really debilitating. Cleverly skirting the limits of an act of war. I doubt they'd actually kill our entire power grid even if they could (and I do believe they could, they have a lot of experience at this, and as the article states our security is still shit).

jruohonen 3y ago
> After all, it's a message and there's no point to it if it's not clear who 'sent' it. If they want to be attributed, then it is not deception, right? In that case, it is interesting why it is so; here we'll probably move into the grander hybrid game, including the propaganda war, which also brings the risks I mentioned in case it is deception and you misattribute.
aa-jv 3y ago
>True but really it's part of the Russians' MO to leave traces. The mere existence of the Vault 7 toolbox means that you can no longer, in good faith, make this argument. Ever again. For reference: https://sociable.co/government-and-policy/intelligence-agencies-ransomware-cia-tools-fake-cyberattack-russia/ https://sociable.co/government-and-policy/intelligence-agenc... and: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ See also: https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-05-04/China-issues-report-on-U-S-CIA-s-cyberattacks-on-other-countries-1jwCIwmKveM/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-05-04/China-issues-report-on... Please avoid making baseless claims about the 'evidence' left behind by "other countrys' hackers" as there is absolutely no basis to believe any of this evidence, ever again. One can simply not trust the claims of evidence of hacking being proferred - by anyone, let alone the US' own utterly vile intelligence agencies.