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They have a right yes, but they will also rightly suffer from their approach. I not only participated in the blackout, but because of the CEOs arrogant comments

by tensor 3y ago

They have a right yes, but they will also rightly suffer from their approach. I not only participated in the blackout, but because of the CEOs arrogant comments about how valuable my data is and how they deserve to sell it, while destroying the tools I value and use, I also deleted all of my valuable data from reddit and after handing off the one sub I moderated I left the platform forever. I think reddit is a wonderful idea that needs different leadership, and the only way for that to happen at this point is for reddit to die and something new and preferably harder to buy out takes its place.

DoreenMichele 3y ago
I'm a blogger and freelance writer. I've spent years saying that programmers make good money, then expect slave labor from writers and content developers. If the only way people will "allow" a valuable service to live is as their bitch, the entire internet is welcome to go die in a fire while we dream up some new answer for the future of this world.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >I've spent years saying that programmers make good money, then expect slave labor from writers and content developers. I guess. They have very different histories and it's not like programmers are strangers to doing "free work" (i.e. the entire open source community until the Github era). the narrative would be flipped 30 years ago. I'm not quite sure how that is relevant. >If the only way people will "allow" a valuable service to live is as their bitch, the entire internet is welcome to go die in a fire while we dream up some new answer for the future of this world. sure. pay your labor. I don't think we disagree. But the issue isn't that reddit doesn't make millions. It's that it's obsessed with spending 10's of millions in hopes of making hundreds of millions off of content provided via free labor. I just want to browse some news and discuss with people. HN doesn't cost millions in server costs and performs that perfectly for me. If I had a nice cozy forum I wouldn't mind a subscription to it. I paid my 10 bux to SA back in the day and I donated to Tildes for a few years. But I do agree many would rather let the internet burn than pay for a site directly.
- intended 3y ago
  In that case Reddit should die. Reddit’s decision changed it previous equation with mods, and redefined the limits of power. Reddit, since inception, had never made specific hire fire decisions for mods, especially for purely monetary reasons. This makes it less volunteer moderation, and purely unpaid labor. NB: I would add return on investment to your cabinet of villains.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    Reddit allows me to establish a community for free. I've established a number of them. If people don't want to be unpaid mods, they don't have to be. No one forced them into that. Do we need to address some things? Sure. But I have long advocated for the right of people to engage in unpaid labor or low paid labor if they choose to. It's exactly how Founders of startups create the company that makes them millionaires. Saying no one is allowed to without first being rich creates a permanent social divide. Would I like for there to be a means to get paid for moderating on reddit? Maybe. I certainly could use more money. Do I want the burdens that typically accompany a paid day job? No. I'm handicapped and that's a disaster waiting to happen. A lot of this was not intentional. And it's generally not as simple as people like to pretend it is for the sake of argument.
    - intended 3y ago
      > I've spent years saying that programmers make good money, then expect slave labor from writers and content developers. > If people don't want to be unpaid XXX, they don't have to be. No one forced them into that Insert blogger/writer/mod for xxx. Maybe it would help, if this contradiction is clarified.
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
        There's no contradiction. "I can choose to work for free on some things if I wish." does not contradict "Other folks are in the wrong to expect and demand that I work for free."
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- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > blogger and freelance writer Reddit’s writers and content producers, i.e. users, are still unpaid. They’re just also being used to train LLMs aimed at reducing the number of independent bloggers and writers.

by tensor 3y ago

DoreenMichele 3y ago

I'm a blogger and freelance writer. I've spent years saying that programmers make good money, then expect slave labor from writers and content developers. If the only way people will "allow" a valuable service to live is as their bitch, the entire internet is welcome to go die in a fire while we dream up some new answer for the future of this world.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
>I've spent years saying that programmers make good money, then expect slave labor from writers and content developers. I guess. They have very different histories and it's not like programmers are strangers to doing "free work" (i.e. the entire open source community until the Github era). the narrative would be flipped 30 years ago. I'm not quite sure how that is relevant. >If the only way people will "allow" a valuable service to live is as their bitch, the entire internet is welcome to go die in a fire while we dream up some new answer for the future of this world. sure. pay your labor. I don't think we disagree. But the issue isn't that reddit doesn't make millions. It's that it's obsessed with spending 10's of millions in hopes of making hundreds of millions off of content provided via free labor. I just want to browse some news and discuss with people. HN doesn't cost millions in server costs and performs that perfectly for me. If I had a nice cozy forum I wouldn't mind a subscription to it. I paid my 10 bux to SA back in the day and I donated to Tildes for a few years. But I do agree many would rather let the internet burn than pay for a site directly.
intended 3y ago
In that case Reddit should die. Reddit’s decision changed it previous equation with mods, and redefined the limits of power. Reddit, since inception, had never made specific hire fire decisions for mods, especially for purely monetary reasons. This makes it less volunteer moderation, and purely unpaid labor. NB: I would add return on investment to your cabinet of villains.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  Reddit allows me to establish a community for free. I've established a number of them. If people don't want to be unpaid mods, they don't have to be. No one forced them into that. Do we need to address some things? Sure. But I have long advocated for the right of people to engage in unpaid labor or low paid labor if they choose to. It's exactly how Founders of startups create the company that makes them millionaires. Saying no one is allowed to without first being rich creates a permanent social divide. Would I like for there to be a means to get paid for moderating on reddit? Maybe. I certainly could use more money. Do I want the burdens that typically accompany a paid day job? No. I'm handicapped and that's a disaster waiting to happen. A lot of this was not intentional. And it's generally not as simple as people like to pretend it is for the sake of argument.
  - intended 3y ago
    > I've spent years saying that programmers make good money, then expect slave labor from writers and content developers. > If people don't want to be unpaid XXX, they don't have to be. No one forced them into that Insert blogger/writer/mod for xxx. Maybe it would help, if this contradiction is clarified.
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
      There's no contradiction. "I can choose to work for free on some things if I wish." does not contradict "Other folks are in the wrong to expect and demand that I work for free."
      - 3y ago
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JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> blogger and freelance writer Reddit’s writers and content producers, i.e. users, are still unpaid. They’re just also being used to train LLMs aimed at reducing the number of independent bloggers and writers.