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Sure, X11 "better", as long as you don't have high or mixed DPI screens, appreciate variable refresh rates, arbitrary scale factors, don't mind inconsistent tea

by k8svet 3y ago

Sure, X11 "better", as long as you don't have high or mixed DPI screens, appreciate variable refresh rates, arbitrary scale factors, don't mind inconsistent tearing, aren't bothered by using a openly unmaintained, abandoned critical piece of desktop infra, etc. Otoh, if you're willing to buy a GPU from a vendor that doesn't snub Linux, or maybe god forbid change screenshot programs (doubt you even need to nowadays), you get plenty of benefits with Wayland. Edit: athe kind of person that downvotes comments like this are some of the least respectable, laughable, on the planet. Shove your fingers in your ears harder and make that tantrum louder. I'm sure it will convince X11 devs to abandon Wayland and return to the project they declared on life support, yup. That's how these things work.

nzentzis 3y ago
The “oh, just don’t buy a GPU from NVidia” point is one I see made a lot when discussing Wayland’s failures, but it completely misses the fact that CUDA is currently the only viable option for GPU compute in many situations. If any significant part of your desktop usage involves such compute, that’s not a solution - or rather it’s a solution that renders your system less capable than it was before. Though in a sense that’s consistent with Wayland’s general “you’re holding it wrong” approach of shifting blame for any problems onto the person reporting them and concluding that anything that doesn’t work well isn’t a valid use-case anyway.
LtWorf 3y ago
I have never seen tearing on Xorg. I know in theory it might happen… but it's a non-issue since it doesn't happen.
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- mort96 3y ago
  You’re a very lucky guy. I have seen it in pretty much every X system I’ve used.
imiric 3y ago
> Sure, X11 "better", as long as you don't have high or mixed DPI screens, appreciate variable refresh rates ... Tell that to the PCSX2 users who experience issues on Wayland, but not on Xorg. This is what I mean by missing the forest for the trees. There's no doubt that Wayland is technically superior to Xorg in many ways. But technical superiority means squat if applications are misbehaving and crashing. While developers are arguing about who should be in charge of window placement (FFS, how is _this_ still a discussion after *15 years*!?), the only thing users get is a poor experience. > Shove your fingers in your ears harder and make that tantrum louder. I didn't downvote you, but maybe you should follow your own advice and realize that Wayland does not work great for everyone. Your type of dismissals are the equivalent of "works on my machine".

by k8svet 3y ago

nzentzis 3y ago

The “oh, just don’t buy a GPU from NVidia” point is one I see made a lot when discussing Wayland’s failures, but it completely misses the fact that CUDA is currently the only viable option for GPU compute in many situations. If any significant part of your desktop usage involves such compute, that’s not a solution - or rather it’s a solution that renders your system less capable than it was before. Though in a sense that’s consistent with Wayland’s general “you’re holding it wrong” approach of shifting blame for any problems onto the person reporting them and concluding that anything that doesn’t work well isn’t a valid use-case anyway.

LtWorf 3y ago

I have never seen tearing on Xorg. I know in theory it might happen… but it's a non-issue since it doesn't happen.

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mort96 3y ago
You’re a very lucky guy. I have seen it in pretty much every X system I’ve used.

imiric 3y ago

> Sure, X11 "better", as long as you don't have high or mixed DPI screens, appreciate variable refresh rates ... Tell that to the PCSX2 users who experience issues on Wayland, but not on Xorg. This is what I mean by missing the forest for the trees. There's no doubt that Wayland is technically superior to Xorg in many ways. But technical superiority means squat if applications are misbehaving and crashing. While developers are arguing about who should be in charge of window placement (FFS, how is _this_ still a discussion after *15 years*!?), the only thing users get is a poor experience. > Shove your fingers in your ears harder and make that tantrum louder. I didn't downvote you, but maybe you should follow your own advice and realize that Wayland does not work great for everyone. Your type of dismissals are the equivalent of "works on my machine".