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Ready ready on what? Select hardware? I've thrown 4 regular off the shelf laptops at various DE's using Wayland and they all suck in various ways to the point t

Ready ready on what? Select hardware? I've thrown 4 regular off the shelf laptops at various DE's using Wayland and they all suck in various ways to the point that they're not even usable. Meanwhile I can throw Windows on all of them, and they work flawlessly. I'm quite tired of Linux guys saying their stuff works just fine, without mentioning how extremely limited is the hardware support to actually run any of those things, and judging from various forums, even if you have supported hardware, things break.

Laaas 3y ago
This is about X vs Wayland, not Windows vs Linux.
- askonomm 3y ago
  It's about the GPU used in regular laptops, I'd imagine, for which Windows has drivers and support, and Linux does not. That's my point. X11 for those laptops works more reliably, but even then there's immense screen tearing, blurry texts, broken fractional scaling, etc. I just don't know why I would ever use software of this quality when even Windows XP had less issues like this in its hayday, and it released 20 years ago.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    The large majority of laptops use Intel or AMD APU's, both of which work fabulously. Gaming laptops using NVidia chips aren't regular laptops.
  - happymellon 3y ago
    If you mean NVIDIA, then they haven't played nicely with the kernel or X11 either. Distros that "work" have to pin and lock your X11 and kernels to get the magic combination. Nvidia has been terrible for a while, and this is not Wayland specific. My Intel and AMD laptops have worked great. My SteamDeck is awesome.
Gigachad 3y ago
It's ready for me in that it works better than X11 on my hardware. No it's not flawless like MacOS and to some extent Windows, but it's certainly an improvement over what we had.
- LtWorf 3y ago
  Works flawlessly if you've never edited a Xorg config file… if you did, there is no way to keep using the same configuration
  - saghm 3y ago
    Not ever having to touch Xorg config files to get things working is pretty big advantage to me at least.
    - LtWorf 3y ago
      So let me know how do you write 5 languages properly…
      - marcodiego 3y ago
        I write 5 languages properly. Eu escrevo 5 línguas adequadamente. J'écris cinq langues bien. Escribo 5 idiomas correctamente. Scrivo correttamente 5 lingue.
        LtWorf 3y ago
        Bravo, e come fai con Øåä e questo genere di lettere?
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      - saghm 3y ago
        I don't understand what you're asking or why it's relevant to what I said. Did you mean to reply to someone else, or did you think that I was the same commenter as someone else?
abrouwers 3y ago
Curious, what sort of hardware issues? I don't have experience with Nvidia, but on Intel, my experience is equal on gnome (in fact, quite improved for the last couple of years - more fluid animations, less lag, etc). I've had this experience on thinkpads and most recently a framework laptop (though, vendor hardly makes a difference in this case).
- askonomm 3y ago
  Most of the issues are Linux auto-installing wrong graphic drivers, which then after a reboot results in a broken DE that doesn't work, and I don't want to spend my time manually verifying every update it tells me to install. I've had that in latest Ubuntu and Mint, to name a few. Other common issues I stumble upon is lack of audio driver support with either the audio not working at all, or working badly (no bass at all, very thin sound). Trackpad multi-touch support is bad in pretty much every distro (no decent gestures support, horrible inertia). Then of course what is now a running joke that Linux is unable to put my computer to sleep, so when I close the lid and open it again a few hours later, the battery is drained. So and so forth, and this is why I will not use Linux, because I don't find tinkering with any of this enjoyable at all, and want to get on with my work.
  - abrouwers 3y ago
    OK, so general linux issues unspecific to wayland. I don't share your experience, but it's rather off-topic for this post.
  - vetinari 3y ago
    > Most of the issues are Linux auto-installing wrong graphic drivers, What? Since when linux auto-install drivers? You get those with your kernel and mesa (except nvidia). There is no installation. > Then of course what is now a running joke that Linux is unable to put my computer to sleep, so when I close the lid and open it again a few hours later, the battery is drained. Windows has exactly the same problem. You can thank "Connected standby" (pushed by Microsoft) for that -- neither Linux, nor Windows puts computer to sleep. They ask the firmware to put the computer to sleep. If the firmware is buggy, here's your problem.

Laaas 3y ago

This is about X vs Wayland, not Windows vs Linux.

askonomm 3y ago
It's about the GPU used in regular laptops, I'd imagine, for which Windows has drivers and support, and Linux does not. That's my point. X11 for those laptops works more reliably, but even then there's immense screen tearing, blurry texts, broken fractional scaling, etc. I just don't know why I would ever use software of this quality when even Windows XP had less issues like this in its hayday, and it released 20 years ago.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  The large majority of laptops use Intel or AMD APU's, both of which work fabulously. Gaming laptops using NVidia chips aren't regular laptops.
- happymellon 3y ago
  If you mean NVIDIA, then they haven't played nicely with the kernel or X11 either. Distros that "work" have to pin and lock your X11 and kernels to get the magic combination. Nvidia has been terrible for a while, and this is not Wayland specific. My Intel and AMD laptops have worked great. My SteamDeck is awesome.

Gigachad 3y ago

It's ready for me in that it works better than X11 on my hardware. No it's not flawless like MacOS and to some extent Windows, but it's certainly an improvement over what we had.

LtWorf 3y ago
Works flawlessly if you've never edited a Xorg config file… if you did, there is no way to keep using the same configuration
- saghm 3y ago
  Not ever having to touch Xorg config files to get things working is pretty big advantage to me at least.
  - LtWorf 3y ago
    So let me know how do you write 5 languages properly…
    - marcodiego 3y ago
      I write 5 languages properly. Eu escrevo 5 línguas adequadamente. J'écris cinq langues bien. Escribo 5 idiomas correctamente. Scrivo correttamente 5 lingue.
      - LtWorf 3y ago
        Bravo, e come fai con Øåä e questo genere di lettere?
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    - saghm 3y ago
      I don't understand what you're asking or why it's relevant to what I said. Did you mean to reply to someone else, or did you think that I was the same commenter as someone else?

abrouwers 3y ago

Curious, what sort of hardware issues? I don't have experience with Nvidia, but on Intel, my experience is equal on gnome (in fact, quite improved for the last couple of years - more fluid animations, less lag, etc). I've had this experience on thinkpads and most recently a framework laptop (though, vendor hardly makes a difference in this case).

askonomm 3y ago
Most of the issues are Linux auto-installing wrong graphic drivers, which then after a reboot results in a broken DE that doesn't work, and I don't want to spend my time manually verifying every update it tells me to install. I've had that in latest Ubuntu and Mint, to name a few. Other common issues I stumble upon is lack of audio driver support with either the audio not working at all, or working badly (no bass at all, very thin sound). Trackpad multi-touch support is bad in pretty much every distro (no decent gestures support, horrible inertia). Then of course what is now a running joke that Linux is unable to put my computer to sleep, so when I close the lid and open it again a few hours later, the battery is drained. So and so forth, and this is why I will not use Linux, because I don't find tinkering with any of this enjoyable at all, and want to get on with my work.
- abrouwers 3y ago
  OK, so general linux issues unspecific to wayland. I don't share your experience, but it's rather off-topic for this post.
- vetinari 3y ago
  > Most of the issues are Linux auto-installing wrong graphic drivers, What? Since when linux auto-install drivers? You get those with your kernel and mesa (except nvidia). There is no installation. > Then of course what is now a running joke that Linux is unable to put my computer to sleep, so when I close the lid and open it again a few hours later, the battery is drained. Windows has exactly the same problem. You can thank "Connected standby" (pushed by Microsoft) for that -- neither Linux, nor Windows puts computer to sleep. They ask the firmware to put the computer to sleep. If the firmware is buggy, here's your problem.