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Replace "Apple" with "Microsoft" and "macOS" with "Windows" in your post, and it is the exact statement I would have written ~2003 when I first played around wi

Replace "Apple" with "Microsoft" and "macOS" with "Windows" in your post, and it is the exact statement I would have written ~2003 when I first played around with wine. Around 2004 I ran CS 1.5 online using wine on a linux box, and changed my mind. Today, in 2023, it seems like Windows games are better run with wine on Linux or macOS (the wine-bottles are basically sandboxed windows editions that I can create or scrub anytime I want). It is incredible how usefully sometimes software becomes 20 years later.

gtirloni 3y ago
It's great we can run big games on Linux in 2023 but my laptop with a RTX3050 turns into a jet engine with ProtonGE and often drops frames, has to compile shaders, etc. I've used all tricks I could find to make this better. Some of it is lack of support, but it's mostly not as efficient to emulate things (shocking revelation, I know). If you boot the same machine in Win11, it's silent playing most games, zero stutter, just smooth. macOS going through the same means in 2043 they might be enjoying the extra heat dissipation.
- xyzzy_plugh 3y ago
  Proton isn't an emulator, though shaders do need to be compiled which can be problematic when it's happening constantly. For many games there is next to no overhead -- some games even run better in my experience.
  - gtirloni 3y ago
    I've had the opposite experience but I'm glad people are having a positive experience in general. To be clear, I'm really thankful this exists. It's has been super helpful not having to reboot into Windows so often but, in my experience, even with a lot of tweaking things aren't better than on Windows. Maybe I'm a fan of games that hit all the issues in this page https://wiki.winehq.org/Performance https://wiki.winehq.org/Performance
philistine 3y ago
Even back in 2003, Windows had the two things I mentioned: games and Office. Wine might have been woefully inadequate back then, but people already wanted to run those two things on Linux. You lacked imagination in 2003.

gtirloni 3y ago

It's great we can run big games on Linux in 2023 but my laptop with a RTX3050 turns into a jet engine with ProtonGE and often drops frames, has to compile shaders, etc. I've used all tricks I could find to make this better. Some of it is lack of support, but it's mostly not as efficient to emulate things (shocking revelation, I know). If you boot the same machine in Win11, it's silent playing most games, zero stutter, just smooth. macOS going through the same means in 2043 they might be enjoying the extra heat dissipation.

xyzzy_plugh 3y ago
Proton isn't an emulator, though shaders do need to be compiled which can be problematic when it's happening constantly. For many games there is next to no overhead -- some games even run better in my experience.
- gtirloni 3y ago
  I've had the opposite experience but I'm glad people are having a positive experience in general. To be clear, I'm really thankful this exists. It's has been super helpful not having to reboot into Windows so often but, in my experience, even with a lot of tweaking things aren't better than on Windows. Maybe I'm a fan of games that hit all the issues in this page https://wiki.winehq.org/Performance https://wiki.winehq.org/Performance

philistine 3y ago

Even back in 2003, Windows had the two things I mentioned: games and Office. Wine might have been woefully inadequate back then, but people already wanted to run those two things on Linux. You lacked imagination in 2003.