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> Name one product or service manufactured by Musk companies that has brought a new paradigm in terms of quality of life for the consumer. This is a ridiculous

by rapsey 3y ago

> Name one product or service manufactured by Musk companies that has brought a new paradigm in terms of quality of life for the consumer. This is a ridiculous straw man.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > This is a ridiculous straw man. - Sent from rapsey's iPhone. Which is something you couldn't do back in 2007. Everything a Tesla does could be done and still can be done by a 2007 car. Sorry if I don't buy into the grandiose vision of substituting one pollutant with an other because the black pollutant is produced by Arabs.
- lupusreal 3y ago
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- vidarh 3y ago
  > Which is something you couldn't do back in 2007. Sending it from an iPhone, no. Sending it from a smartphone, yes. Palm VII could access the web, with limitations, in '99. Expansions were available for earlier devices. That same year I worked on a iPad-like tablet (we were not first, nor did we have any illusions that we were) with a built-in phone. Treo 90 (2002) provided a Palm OS PDA with a phone (but also a keyboard). There were many other similar devices around then. There was a whole multi-year fad of touch-focused smart devices that rose and died again because the hardware wasn't consumer-ready years before the iPhone. Anyone around then with an interest in tech will have been aware of a wide range of app-capable devices that frankly made the first iPhones rather underwhelming to most power users. The genius of the iPhone was to time the release right at a point where the available hardware was good enough to attract regular consumers, not in inventing something particularly new. That doesn't diminish what Apple did, but this idea that what they did was something revolutionary that wouldn't have happened in some variant without them is bizarre.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    > > That doesn't diminish what Apple did, but this idea that what they did was something revolutionary that wouldn't have happened in some variant without them is bizarre. My bad, Tesla is revolutionary instead, 150 year old automotive industry, 5000 year old history of the wheel. Literally reinventing the wheel for political purpose. A true revolution in the history of virtue signaling and subsidies milking /s
    - vidarh 3y ago
      You're the one obsessing over an imaginary need for them to be revolutionary to add value, while having given examples of companies that largely have had successes without doing anything revolutionary other than in sales and marketing, like you've criticized Musk for.
      - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
        Look , at the global level I have been a 1%er my whole life. Then I became a 1% at the country level. My first Pc was a Dell with pirated XP My first smartphone was an iPhone My first social media was Facebook My first online purchase delivered at home was Amazon. My first car was my dad 2000 BMW. After all the talk I have stepped and driven a Tesla, it’s the same experience of back in the BMW, and the same experience my dad had the first time he drove a car back in the 70s. The hype is not warrented by the underlying product whereas the other stuff I mentioned produced a big leap in the quality of life of the majority of the population, even though they were not the first of their kind and you fancy 0.1%ers had access to the very early iterations in the form of products made by companies that have now ceased to exist.

by rapsey 3y ago

> Name one product or service manufactured by Musk companies that has brought a new paradigm in terms of quality of life for the consumer. This is a ridiculous straw man.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

> > This is a ridiculous straw man. - Sent from rapsey's iPhone. Which is something you couldn't do back in 2007. Everything a Tesla does could be done and still can be done by a 2007 car. Sorry if I don't buy into the grandiose vision of substituting one pollutant with an other because the black pollutant is produced by Arabs.

lupusreal 3y ago
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vidarh 3y ago
> Which is something you couldn't do back in 2007. Sending it from an iPhone, no. Sending it from a smartphone, yes. Palm VII could access the web, with limitations, in '99. Expansions were available for earlier devices. That same year I worked on a iPad-like tablet (we were not first, nor did we have any illusions that we were) with a built-in phone. Treo 90 (2002) provided a Palm OS PDA with a phone (but also a keyboard). There were many other similar devices around then. There was a whole multi-year fad of touch-focused smart devices that rose and died again because the hardware wasn't consumer-ready years before the iPhone. Anyone around then with an interest in tech will have been aware of a wide range of app-capable devices that frankly made the first iPhones rather underwhelming to most power users. The genius of the iPhone was to time the release right at a point where the available hardware was good enough to attract regular consumers, not in inventing something particularly new. That doesn't diminish what Apple did, but this idea that what they did was something revolutionary that wouldn't have happened in some variant without them is bizarre.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > That doesn't diminish what Apple did, but this idea that what they did was something revolutionary that wouldn't have happened in some variant without them is bizarre. My bad, Tesla is revolutionary instead, 150 year old automotive industry, 5000 year old history of the wheel. Literally reinventing the wheel for political purpose. A true revolution in the history of virtue signaling and subsidies milking /s
  - vidarh 3y ago
    You're the one obsessing over an imaginary need for them to be revolutionary to add value, while having given examples of companies that largely have had successes without doing anything revolutionary other than in sales and marketing, like you've criticized Musk for.
    - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
      Look , at the global level I have been a 1%er my whole life. Then I became a 1% at the country level. My first Pc was a Dell with pirated XP My first smartphone was an iPhone My first social media was Facebook My first online purchase delivered at home was Amazon. My first car was my dad 2000 BMW. After all the talk I have stepped and driven a Tesla, it’s the same experience of back in the BMW, and the same experience my dad had the first time he drove a car back in the 70s. The hype is not warrented by the underlying product whereas the other stuff I mentioned produced a big leap in the quality of life of the majority of the population, even though they were not the first of their kind and you fancy 0.1%ers had access to the very early iterations in the form of products made by companies that have now ceased to exist.