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That's an incredibly misleading graph because it shows percentages, whereas the total energy consumption of China is growing like crazy. They can have a fallin

That's an incredibly misleading graph because it shows percentages, whereas the total energy consumption of China is growing like crazy. They can have a falling percentage of coal use, while still having a growing coal usage. Here is the non-stacked chart of electricity production by source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electricity-production-by-source https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electricity-production-by... It does not look good.

epistasis 3y ago
If you want to know quantities emitted currently and up to now, your graph was great. But I didn't ask about that, I asked about the trend, so in fact you replied to me with a misrepresentation. It was highly inaccurate, and to see you sling around accusations feels a tiny bit rude after what you're posted. The graph I posted is better for recognizing the trend, where things will be in the future. Is goal a growing or shrinking component of the energy mix? Shrinking. Absolutes do matter, but so do trends. And if we are talking about the future, the trends matter more than the absolutes of the current.
- eigenspace 3y ago
  > if you want to know quantities emitted currently and up to now, your graph was great. No, my graph would not be very useful for that. For that, you'd want the area under those curves, i.e. the sum of all historical emissions. My curve is just showing how much electricity in a given year is produced by which source. Total energy usage in China is growing very fast, and Coal is a big part of that. > But I didn't ask about that, I asked about the trend, so in fact you replied to me with a misrepresentation. No actually, the trend is that China's usage of coal is widespread and growing very fast. Showing that the percentage of coal in their electricity mix is stable or shrinking only shows that the *acceleration* of coal usage in China is stable or negative, even if the trend is increasing usage.

epistasis 3y ago

If you want to know quantities emitted currently and up to now, your graph was great. But I didn't ask about that, I asked about the trend, so in fact you replied to me with a misrepresentation. It was highly inaccurate, and to see you sling around accusations feels a tiny bit rude after what you're posted. The graph I posted is better for recognizing the trend, where things will be in the future. Is goal a growing or shrinking component of the energy mix? Shrinking. Absolutes do matter, but so do trends. And if we are talking about the future, the trends matter more than the absolutes of the current.

eigenspace 3y ago
> if you want to know quantities emitted currently and up to now, your graph was great. No, my graph would not be very useful for that. For that, you'd want the area under those curves, i.e. the sum of all historical emissions. My curve is just showing how much electricity in a given year is produced by which source. Total energy usage in China is growing very fast, and Coal is a big part of that. > But I didn't ask about that, I asked about the trend, so in fact you replied to me with a misrepresentation. No actually, the trend is that China's usage of coal is widespread and growing very fast. Showing that the percentage of coal in their electricity mix is stable or shrinking only shows that the *acceleration* of coal usage in China is stable or negative, even if the trend is increasing usage.